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 Post subject: Re: Obamacare™ Support Falls To New Lows
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:23 pm 
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I haven't heard anyone complain about a possible refund from their insurance company. I do recall hearing a collective shriek from the usual bunch of teachers and municipal employees when Mitch Daniels said he would be sending checks to Indiana's taxpayers instead of funding exotic fact-finding trips and unearned raises for government workers.


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 Post subject: Re: Obamacare™ Support Falls To New Lows
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Emails Show White House Helped Steer Obamacare Lobbying Dollars To Firm Founded By Top Obama Adviser David Axelrod
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Rewind to 2009. The fight over ObamaCare is raging, and a few news outlets report that something looks ethically rotten in the White House. An outside group funded by industry is paying the former firm of senior presidential adviser David Axelrod to run ads in favor of the bill. That firm, AKPD Message and Media, still owes Mr. Axelrod money and employs his son.

The story quickly died, but emails recently released by the House Energy and Commerce Committee ought to resurrect it. The emails suggest the White House was intimately involved both in creating this lobby and hiring Mr. Axelrod’s firm — which is as big an ethical no-no as it gets.

Mr. Axelrod — who left the White House last year — started AKPD in 1985. The firm earned millions helping run Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign. Mr. Axelrod moved to the White House in 2009 and agreed to have AKPD buy him out for $2 million. But AKPD chose to pay Mr. Axelrod in annual installments — even as he worked in the West Wing. This agreement somehow passed muster with the Office of Government Ethics, though the situation at the very least should have walled off AKPD from working on White-House priorities.

It didn’t. The White House and industry were working hand-in-glove to pass ObamaCare in 2009, and among the vehicles supplying ad support was an outfit named Healthy Economy Now (HEN). News stories at the time described this as a “coalition” that included the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA), the American Medical Association, and labor groups—suggesting these entities had started and controlled it.

House emails show HEN was in fact born at an April 15, 2009 meeting arranged by then-White House aide Jim Messina and a chief of staff for Democratic Sen. Max Baucus. The two politicos met at the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) and invited representatives of business and labor.

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 Post subject: Re: Obamacare™ Support Falls To New Lows
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:57 pm 
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I do recall hearing a collective shriek from the usual bunch of teachers and municipal employees when Mitch Daniels said he would be sending checks to Indiana's taxpayers instead of funding exotic fact-finding trips and unearned raises for government workers.

Teachers do not go on exotic fact finding trips which of course means that you're making up crap and lying. Nothing new.
The "collective shriek" occured when our man Mitch cut over $300 million from public education which resulted in thousands of teachers getting laid off and then miraculously Mitch found $320 million that somehow went missing.
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 Post subject: Re: Obamacare™ Support Falls To New Lows
PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:07 am 
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Thousands? How many thousands?

NWI and the south suburbs of Chicago are places where residents and politicians do backflips when a new fast food restaurant or Walmart moves into town. Hardly the kind of region where education matters to anyone. That $320,000,000 is far better off in the hands of taxpayers than it is wasted on failed school systems like those found in Hammond, Gary, East Chicago, Whiting, Ford Heights, Markham, and so on. In locales where there are motivated students and parents--the Carmels, the Fishers, the Flossmors--the loss of some deadwood educators and administrators will be easily overcome.


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 Post subject: Re: Obamacare™ Support Falls To New Lows
PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:55 am 
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Getting rid of teachers and the continuing of dumbing down of the American electorate works right into the hands of the GOP. See the southern red states, creationism, global warming, etc.
Tell the sheep over and over and over we need more tax cuts and more deregulation, Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya who will take your guns away and the stupid people believe it.
It's why we have conservative morons who vote against their own best interest.
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Yes, Iraq Definitely Had WMD, Vast Majority Of Polled Republicans Insist

06/21/2012

WASHINGTON -- How misinformed are Republicans about world affairs? If presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney's assertion that Russia is "without question our number one geopolitical foe" is any indication, then the answer would appear to be very.

A new poll supports that theory.

The poll, constructed by Dartmouth government professor Benjamin Valentino and conducted by YouGov from April 26 to May 2, found that fully 63 percent of Republican respondents still believed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when the U.S. invaded in 2003. By contrast, 27 percent of independents and 15 percent of Democrats shared that view.

Jim Lobe, chief of the Inter Press Service's Washington bureau, reported the finding in his blog on Wednesday.

The Bush administration's insistence that the Iraqi government had weapons of mass destruction and might give them to terrorists was a key selling point in its campaign to take the country to war. It turned out to be untrue.

Debate continues over whether former President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, and other top officials knew there were no WMD, but intentionally deceived the American people and Congress because they were intent on attacking Iraq for less palatable reasons -- or whether they managed to convince themselves that it was true using cherry-picked intelligence.

There is no reality-based argument that Iraq actually had WMD, after extensive searches found none, but this is hardly the first time many Americans have been certain of something that simply wasn't true.

A Washington Post poll in September 2003 found that nearly 70 percent of all Americans were convinced that Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the 9/11 terrorist attacks -- even though he was not.

Bush, Cheney and others consistently linked al Qaeda to Hussein in speeches they gave in the run-up to war, and the media rarely pushed back. But neither Bush nor Cheney continued to claim that there were actual WMDs in Iraq once the searches came up empty -- although they both continued to insist that Saddam had the "capability" to produce them.

Rather than a failure of the media, therefore, this latest poll result seems to indicate a refusal -- unique to the modern Republican Party -- to acknowledge facts.

According to this poll, an even larger proportion of Republican respondents who said Iraq had WMD -- 64 percent -- said they have either always believed (or have come to believe) that Barack Obama was born in another country, which he was not.

Overall, the poll found Republicans to be considerably more militaristic in their worldview than Democrats and independents.

In a finding that would indicate plenty of GOP support for yet another war in the Middle East, nearly two-thirds of Republicans said it's very likely that if Iran produces a nuclear weapon, it would use it against Israel.

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 Post subject: Re: Obamacare™ Support Falls To New Lows
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 Post subject: Re: Obamacare™ Support Falls To New Lows
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 Post subject: Re: Obamacare™ Support Falls To New Lows
PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:23 pm 
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Getting rid of teachers and the continuing of dumbing down of the American electorate works right into the hands of the GOP. See the southern red states, creationism, global warming, etc.
Tell the sheep over and over and over we need more tax cuts and more deregulation, Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya who will take your guns away and the stupid people believe it.
It's why we have conservative morons who vote against their own best interest.
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Oi vey! The melodrama! The histrionics!

Another in a long line of contributions by Ree-jects and south suburban losers who are up in arms about the "dumbing down" of Americans but live in one of the most backward, corrupt, depressing, and wasteful parts of the country--and like it that way. You joke about Appalachia and the Deep South, but the area in which you exist make those locales seem like 18th-century Vienna.

Might as well subject yourselves to a little creationism. Teaching that can't be much more harmful than letting "diverse" students graduate from high school after learning little but "dat dey wuz slabes" sometime in the past (but who knows or who cares when?). All but your cream of the crop, which seems to reside on the south side of Munster and in various small pockets further down U.S. 41 have done little with the educations provided to them for decades, under exactly the conditions the majority wants to keep in place.

And what would a Region crying spell be without some reference to Nazism (oh, and sheep or "sheeple" too!)? An always original and well-reasoned position.

And then for these uneducated Region pud-pullers to presume to tell their betters that they are voting against their own best interests! You call your opposition uninformed--but what you are informed about has no impact on anyone outside of an internet chat area. A quick glance at your northern cities will tell you that all of that information has done squat for your living conditions. What passes for "informed" in your neck of the woods is being able to recite which precinct committeemen support what faceless, no-account office holders. Beyond that, all you know is you are being ripped off by someone....probably someone much smarter than you who applied themselves at a young age and continued to do so....instead of settling for job security, a pension to waste at bars and smoky casinos, and a tenuous retirement at age 48. That's fine if that's what you chose, but to whine about it is just so Democrat and so Northwest Indiana.


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 Post subject: Re: Obamacare™ Support Falls To New Lows
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:31 pm 
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Democrats Using Pending Defeat Of Obamacare As Fundraising Ploy
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Democrats are using the Supreme Court’s expected ruling Thursday on President Obama’s healthcare law to raise campaign funds.

The House Democrats’ campaign arm on Wednesday said if the court strikes down Obama’s law, “Democrats will need to redouble our efforts, fighting to ensure universal healthcare that’s affordable and accessible to every American is a reality.”

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 Post subject: Re: Obamacare™ Support Falls To New Lows
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:38 am 
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I just know that the rethuglicons just hate this notion:

Millions will receive refund checks from health insurance companies[/color]



LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm sure parasites like you really believe that...

but here is the REAL reason these fuking thieves want DUMBOcare...




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Emails: White House worked with health industry to send business to Axelrod’s firm
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The charge that the Obama administration coordinated with the health-care industry in 2009 during the Obamacare fight to send a good chunk of business to the consulting firm founded by presidential adviser David Axelrod has resurfaced in the news media.

At issue is whether the White House worked with officials inside the industry to form the outside group, “Healthy Economy Now,” which ran pro-Obamacare ads with the help of Axelrod’s former political consulting firm, AKPD Message and Media.

In 2009, the firm not only still employed Axelrod’s son, but it still owed the presidential adviser money as part of his buy-out deal with the firm ahead of leaving to work in the White House.


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If Barack Obama told mr grape that the sky is blue, mr grape would huff and puff, have a hissy fit and call him a liar.

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Health insurance refunds on the way for Arizonans

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Arizona consumers and businesses reportedly can expect to collect more than $36 million in refunds this summer from health-insurance companies.

That's under new provisions of the nation's health-care law called the Affordable Care Act.

A report from Washington, D.C.-based Consumers Union says people who have purchased individual health-insurance plans will get about $24 million in refund checks or credits to future premiums.

The report also says insurers will refund more than $9 million to employers with small-group plans of fewer than 50 people. Companies with larger plans of more than 50 people will get an additional refund of nearly $3 million.

The first round of rebates must be sent to customers by Aug. 1.


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About $19.6 million worth of refunds on health insurance premiums will be paid to S.C. individual policyholders and companies that provide the benefit, the federal Department of Health and Human Services announced today.

The refunds are being issued to meet the spending threshold established by the health care law, the agency said. Called the medical loss ratio, the threshold requires health insurers to spend at least 80% of premium dollars collected from individual policyholders and small businesses of two to 50 employees on health care, rather than business expenses. Carriers who write policies for large employers — those with 51 or more workers — must spend 85% of premiums on health care. In all cases, the insurance companies will be required to refund consumers.

In South Carolina, refunds will total $19,630,152 and will benefit 251,632 consumers, according to the agency. The average refund will be $131.

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 Post subject: Re: Obamacare™ Support Falls To New Lows
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The House Democrats’ campaign arm on Wednesday said if the court strikes down Obama’s law, “Democrats will need to redouble our efforts, fighting to ensure universal healthcare that’s affordable and accessible to every American is a reality.”


I guess they won't have to work so hard after all....

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Ruling puts Medicaid coverage for 500,000 Hoosiers in doubt
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INDIANAPOLIS | Indiana lawmakers and the state's next governor will decide next year whether up to 500,000 more low-income Hoosiers will receive Medicaid health coverage starting in 2014.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled Thursday that states can't be punished if they ignore a requirement of the Affordable Care Act and refuse to increase their Medicaid eligibility income limit to 133 percent of the federal poverty level. That's about $15,000 a year for an individual or $30,000 for a family of four.

The higher limits will make nearly 1 in 4 Hoosiers eligible for Medicaid.

A 2010 analysis presented to the General Assembly estimated the state's cost to add a half million Hoosiers to the Medicaid rolls at $2.5 billion to $3.1 billion between 2014 and 2020, even with the federal government covering the entire cost of new enrollees the first three years.

State Sen. Brandt Hershman, R-Wheatfield, chairman of the Senate Tax and Fiscal Policy Committee, said Medicaid already makes up 10 percent of Indiana's budget and any increase likely would require pulling money from education, or a tax hike.

"I think we would be very cautious before we would accept any further expansion of Medicaid," Hershman said. "Although there is some additional federal funding available, there is a significant state responsibility as well."

Senate President David Long, R-Fort Wayne, said Indiana will "certainly" opt out of "Obamacare's Medicaid mandate" and avoid a "tax increase waiting to happen."

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White House Official Admits GOP Has An Effective Weapon To Hammer Them After Obamacare Mandate Ruled A Tax: “I’m Sure It Will Work”
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Got good news and bad news for you, Mr. President. The good news is that Chief Justice John Roberts just saved your legacy and, perhaps, your presidency by writing for the Supreme Court majority to rule health care reform constitutional.

“The Affordable Care Act’s requirement that certain individuals pay a financial penalty for not obtaining health insurance may reasonably be characterized as a tax,” Roberts wrote in an opinion that said the Constitution’s commerce clause could not be used to save the bill.

But you can count on them to use Roberts’ bill-saving justification to label Obama a tax-and-spend liberal.

“I’m sure they’ll nail us on taxes and I’m sure it will work,” said a senior White House official speaking on condition of anonymity. “But, given the alternative, that’s a bitter pill I’m ready to swallow.”

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Former CBO Director: SCOTUS Ruling Could Increase Cost of Obamacare By $500 Billion Over 10 Years
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Did the Supreme Court just make the Affordable Care Act much less affordable?

The calculations are complex, and the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has said it will need some time to review the situation. But an early back-of-the-envelope analysis by a former CBO director suggests that Thursday’s ruling could sharply raise the cost of President Obama’s signature legislative achievement.

Douglas Holtz-Eakin now serves as president of the conservative American Action Forum, which filed several amicus briefs in support of overturning the health-care law. Holtz-Eakin, who advised 2008 Republican presidential candidate John McCain before he lost to Obama, is no friend of the administration.

Still, he asks a relevant question: Given the terms of the ruling, what’s the worst-case scenario for the federal budget? His answer: around $50 billion a year.

“There’s real money at stake here,” Holtz-Eakin said.

How does it work? The Affordable Care Act seeks to cover the uninsured in two ways: It requires states to expand Medicaid to cover those earning less than 133 percent of the federal poverty level, with the federal government initially picking up the full tab (though federal funding would later fall to cover just 90 percent of the cost of expansion). It also creates new subsidies to help people at slightly higher income levels afford private insurance on new insurance exchanges.

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