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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:17 pm 
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As far as I know wealthy liberal Democrats don't have a problem with paying taxes.

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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
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edge540 wrote:
As far as I know wealthy liberal Democrats don't have a problem with paying taxes.


But they do earn their money at the expense of others just like (in your opinion) wealthy, conservative Republicans?


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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:53 pm 
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As far as I know wealthy liberal Democrats don't have a problem with paying taxes.



WOW.... :shock:

Just plain flippin' WOW..... :lol: :smt006

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Unprecedented Level of Tax Evasion Among Obama Appointees

By Rachel Alexander, on March 10th, 2009

A list of Obama's potential high-level appointees who have withdrawn from consideration – mostly for failure to pay taxes – since Obama took office in January.

One of the most interesting phenomenons of the Obama administration so far is the difficulty he has had finding honest people to fill top-level positions. Every few days since he has been in office, another potential cabinet appointee is in the news for tax evasion or other financial corruption.

Let's rehash the list so far.

New Mexico Democratic Governor Bill Richardson, nominated for Commerce Department Secretary. He withdrew on January 4 after it emerged that he was the subject of a Grand Jury investigation for influence peddling, due to his awarding of a $1.5 million state contract to political contributors.

Former South Dakota Democratic Senator Tom Daschle, nominated for Health and Human Services Secretary. He withdrew on February 3, admitting that he had failed to pay more than $100,000 in taxes on a car and driver provided by a friend and on consulting fees after he left the Senate.

Nancy Killefer, former Assistant Secretary for Management and Chief Financial Officer of the Treasury Department during the Clinton administration, nominated for Deputy Director at the Office of Management and Budget and Chief Performance Officer. Obama said in announcing her nomination, "We can no longer afford to sustain the old ways when we know there are new and more efficient ways of getting the job done." Killefer withdrew on February 3 because of a lien against her home for failure to pay unemployment tax for household help. Ironic that she can afford household help – something most of us Americans can't – and then doesn't pay the taxes her party trumpets. Certainly not anyone you want in charge of managing the public's money.

Hilda Solis, nominated for Labor Secretary, was confirmed on February 11 even though her husband had liens against his business going back 16 years. He paid the full $6,400 owed a day before her confirmation hearing. Wouldn't that be nice if the average American could pretend to have nothing to do with their spouse's finances?

New Hampshire Senator Judd Gregg, Obama's second nomination for Commerce Department secretary. Apparently the only Republican nominated to a high-level position by Obama, he withdrew on February 11 because of philosophical differences with the Obama administration over its advocacy of a massive stimulus plan. Judd had once called for elimination of the Department of Commerce. Judd was one of very few Obama nominees who withdrew due to legitimate reasons.

Timothy Geithner, nominated and confirmed on February 24 for Treasury Secretary. Geithner failed to pay $34,000 in self-employment taxes while he worked at the International Monetary Fund from 2001 to 2004. Yet he was still confirmed because Democrats said his position was too important to be left unfilled any longer.

Kansas Democratic Governor Kathleen Sebelius was nominated on March 2 as Obama's second choice for Secretary of Health and Human Services. So far, no back tax problem has emerged, but she does have one of the most extreme partisan positions on abortion of any politician in the country; which may cause trouble with her confirmation.

Former Obama campaign worker Susan Tierney, the leading candidate for Deputy Secretary of Energy, dropped out on March 3 without citing a reason. Is she afraid to cite back taxes?

Jane Garvey, reportedly Obama's top choice for Deputy Secretary of Transportation, also dropped out on March 3, reportedly for financial reasons. Did those reasons include owing back taxes?

Former Washington Democratic Governor Gary Locke. Nominated on March 5, for Secretary of Commerce after Bill Richardson and Judd Gregg withdrew. So far he appears to be sailing through to confirmation, but Frontpage Mag points out he was involved in Chinagate with former Clinton Commerce employee John Huang. Huang wrote a $1,000 check to Locke and co-sponsored fundraising events that netted $30,000 in 1996 alone.

Annette Nazareth, who was to be nominated for Treasury Deputy Secretary, abruptly announced on March 5 she was stepping aside for "personal reasons."

Caroline Atkinson, nominated for Undersecretary of International Affairs, withdrew on March 5 as well. Did these two prospects withdraw because of failure to pay back taxes? "Personal reasons" sounds like someone wants to spend more time with their family, or something along those lines. If that was the case, why didn't the candidates indicate so? Because of the long list of nominees who withdrew for tax problems, their withdrawals are forever tainted with a cloud of suspicion.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Obama's first pick for Surgeon General, withdrew on March 5 without citing a reason. What were his secret reasons?

Former Dallas Democratic Mayor Ron Kirk, nominated for Trade Representative, failed to pay $10,000 in back taxes for speaking fees over three years. He faced Senate questioning on March 9 over it, but is expected to win confirmation. $2,600 of the back taxes was due to deducting $17,382 worth of basketball tickets; he was unable to provide proof of business purposes for those tickets. Most Americans can't afford $17,382 in baseball tickets, much less have a business to deduct the cost from. Kirk also took overly large deductions for a used TV he gave to charity, and inflated accounting and tax preparation fees. He has agreed to pay $9,975 in back taxes from 2005-2007.

The length of time it is taking to fill key Treasury posts during this economic crisis is "shameful," characterized by liberal former Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker and economic advisor to Obama. Geithner has been Treasury Secretary for over five weeks and has yet to name a single top deputy or assistant secretary. Although Obama has pushed through appointments generally faster than previous presidents, other administrations weren't facing the economic crisis we are today. The delay in approving top Treasury positions is detrimental to the country.

There have been a few nominees who appeared to have withdrawn for legitimate reasons. But due to the large number of other nominees withdrawing for failure to pay back taxes, some will wonder if that was the real reason – which is an unfair stigma to put on the honest nominees who withdrew.

What we are seeing is the results of a generation that has grown up without strict morals. Years of 1960's "progressive morality" has spawned a generation of Baby Boomers who have grown up without church and Judeao-Christian morals, not knowing the difference between right and wrong. And it has affected the Democratic Party the most, since they have rejected Biblical morality in favor of secular humanism with its acceptance of all viewpoints, no matter how flawed. This has left them with few political candidates to choose from who have maintained moral requisites. At some point, it will lead to the downfall of the Democratic Party – unless society's morals progressively change with them.

http://www.intellectualconservative.com ... ppointees/

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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:22 pm 
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USMarine wrote:
hatemonger540 wrote:
As far as I know wealthy liberal Democrats don't have a problem with paying taxes.



WOW.... :shock:

Just plain flippin' WOW..... :lol: :smt006

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Unprecedented Level of Tax Evasion Among Obama Appointees



Good article. Generalizations that wealthy, conservative Republicans earn their money at the expense of others, and that wealthy, liberal Democrats have no problem paying their taxes----are just Archie Bunker style, narrow-minded nonsense. Doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum it comes from, it's beyond ridiculous.


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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:35 pm 
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Here's another good article:
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Sarah Palin: Tax Cheat
"Palin, it appears, did not pay taxes on the more than $60,000 of travel reimbursements that she and her family members reportedly billed the state during her 18 months as governor."

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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
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edge540 wrote:
Here's another good article:
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Sarah Palin: Tax Cheat

"Palin, it appears, did not pay taxes on the more than $60,000 of travel reimbursements that she and her family members reportedly billed the state during her 18 months as governor."


Agreed. It's an article about one specific person. It's a terrific article which in no way makes your broad generalizations any less ridiculous.


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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
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hatemonger540 wrote:
As far as I know wealthy liberal Democrats don't have a problem with paying taxes.


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Ooops...!!!!

I almost forgot..... :smt005 :smt006


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Charles Rangel Steps Down As Committee Chair

Wednesday, March 03, 2010

Under continuing questions about possible ethics violations, New York Congressman Charles Rangel announced this morning he would temporarily step down as chair of the powerful Ways and Means Committee. Rangel, who is the dean of his state's delegation, said he would relinquish control of the influential post in order to allow an investigation by the Ethics Committee to run its course.

Among the inquiries about Rangel's conduct are corporate-sponsored trips to the Caribbean in 2007 and more serious allegations of unlawful fund-raising and tax evasion.

http://www.thetakeaway.org/2010/mar/03/ ... inquiries/

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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:45 pm 
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THD wrote:
edge540 wrote:
Here's another good article:
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Sarah Palin: Tax Cheat

"Palin, it appears, did not pay taxes on the more than $60,000 of travel reimbursements that she and her family members reportedly billed the state during her 18 months as governor."


Agreed. It's an article about one specific person. It's a terrific article which in no way makes your broad generalizations any less ridiculous.

Good point
Here's what I said:
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Conservative republicans that make over seven figures at the expense of others do not.

I should have said:
All the conservative republicans that I know that make over seven figures at the expense of others do not.
Is that better?
Since I get to mingle with the 'have & have mores'(conservative republicans)on a regular basis I haven't met one yet that does not bitch about the taxes they pay.

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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:48 pm 
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LyingSOS540 wrote:
Since I get to mingle with the 'have & have mores' (conservative republicans)on a regular basis


Sure you do...... :roll:

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I have haven't met one yet

Well...?

Which lie are you going to stick with?

Is it "have" or "haven't"......?


Methinks it's a little early to be drinking, liar540.... :smt005

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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
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edge540 wrote:

Since I get to mingle with the 'have & have mores'(conservative republicans)on a regular basis I haven't met one yet that does not bitch about the taxes they pay.


BITCHING about paying taxes is not exactly a window to the soul and I don't personally think it is unique to any particular demographic. NOT PAYING, or attempting to not pay your taxes is another matter entirely, and in my humble opinion, cuts across all many demographics.
I'm way more interested in knowing something else.
I mean, by all indications here, you find conservative Republicans reprehensible and detestable. Just awful human beings in every way. Add into the mix that you think they make their money at the expense of others...and this leads to one question and one comment. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU HANG WITH THESE FOLKS? I must also comment that you are either doing an acting job here in regard to how much you hate them, or an acting job when with these folks in regard to how much you enjoy their company.


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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
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Playing a round at the Lexington Country Club & attending the races at Keenland is a lot of fun & is very entertaining.

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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
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edge540 wrote:
Playing a round at the Lexington Country Club & attending the races at Keenland is a lot of fun & is very entertaining.



I was editing while you commented. Thanks. It sounds fun. So the interaction with these folks is incidental and you can hide your contempt? Or you don't hide your contempt? Or the contempt is really and act? Or what?


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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
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Liar540 wrote:
Playing a round at the Lexington Country Club & attending the races at Keenland is a lot of fun & is very entertaining.


Oh please..... :roll:

Being a caddy and a stable boy do NOT qualify as getting to "mingle with the 'have & have mores' "..... :smt005

That is truly some really funny stuff, Liar540...... :smt006

Thank you so much for entertaining me this afternoon.


It's been a hoot.....LOL.

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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
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Playing a round at the Lexington Country Club & attending the races at Keenland is a lot of fun & is very entertaining.


Oh please..... :roll:

Being a caddy and a stable boy do NOT qualify as getting to "mingle with the 'have & have mores' "..... :smt005

That is truly some really funny stuff, Liar540...... :smt006

Thank you so much for entertaining me this afternoon.


It's been a hoot.....LOL.




Caddy ??? I Thought he was the BALL WASHER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
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USMarine wrote:
Liar540 wrote:
Playing a round at the Lexington Country Club & attending the races at Keenland is a lot of fun & is very entertaining.


Oh please..... :roll:

Being a caddy and a stable boy do NOT qualify as getting to "mingle with the 'have & have mores' "..... :smt005

That is truly some really funny stuff, Liar540...... :smt006

Thank you so much for entertaining me this afternoon.


It's been a hoot.....LOL.


It's all a little vague and doesn't make any sense. I just can't imagine a guy with these opinions actually hanging out with folks he claims to detest. For a guy who very freely throws around the word "hypocrite", that would be the ultimate. There is some level of bullshit going on here. No way does the edge we see here want to hang with these folks regardless of how much fun it is.
What I'm beginning to think is that the contact is more like me going shopping on Rodeo Drive and then saying that I "hang" with that demographic. If you pass a wealthy, conservative Republican in a golf cart or see him at the betting window, you ain't exactly "mingling" with him.


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