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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:50 pm 
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SO OBAMA SAYS THE DEFICIT PROBLEM IS BUSH'S FAULT....THINK AGAIN !

yeah right
I see this moron who wrote this nonsense is predicting that the dems will have the Oval Office & congress untill 2020...priceless.

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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:53 pm 
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hatemonger540 wrote:
I see this moron who wrote this nonsense is predicting that the dems will have the Oval Office & congress untill 2020...priceless.


I see the moron that sees morons doesn't know a damn thing about budgets.


If only hatemonger540 had the "eduction" to know that the CBO typically scores government budgets 10 years out.


That is really funny..... :smt005

Oh and it's also....."priceless".... :smt006



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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:48 pm 
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yeah right


Thank you, dumb ass. :smt006 ( I'm not forgetting that one, all because you lost) Typical.


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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:25 pm 
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So actually the Republicans in Congress DID try to effect a balanced budget years ago!

bullshit
FACT is Geoerge Bush & his rubber stamp republicans in congress gave billion dollar oil companies billions in tax breaks, gave millionaires & billionaires over a trillion in tax breaks, started two wars without paying for them & passed the Medicare Part D drug bill without paying for it.
So NO, the Republicans in Congress DID NOT try to effect a balanced budget.
During this time Florida republican hypocrites had their heads in the sand, why is that?

Claiming so is yet another conservative, revisionist history, flat out, bald faced, blatant lie.
'typical'


There's an old saying that 2 wrongs don't make a right but keep in mind that it was a Dem Congress that went along with it. Obama has probably lost more ground by created more spending and not addressing the deficit in his 1st year (still hasn't so far) than occurred in all 8 years Bush was President and now there's the whole healthcare mess before us that will even dwarf that! BTW Medicare is still underfunded and cutting payouts to doctors to the point of some considering not taking new Medicare patients and anything Obama-Care might do wouldn't take effect for 3 years anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:51 am 
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That's funny, why didn't the Florida republicans do this when the dipshit was in office for 8 years?
Oh that's right they're 'typical' hypocrites:


Because Obama wasn't here yet to spend $trillions more that we can't afford.


this idiot doesn't have a clue where all this money is coming from...

just like the rest of the entitlement parasites in line do...

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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:41 am 
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Nonsense.

Just more left-wing kook, blatant lies, revisionist history, BS from typical blah blah blah.

Some funny stuff, hatemonger540.

Saaaaaaayyyyyyy.......ya got $25,000 I'll come over and weatherstrip your house.

:smt006


I can tell you ain't a Dem. If you were you'd weatherstrip that house without asking, charge 3 times what it should be, and place a lean on the title until you get paid. :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
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There's an old saying that 2 wrongs don't make a right but keep in mind that it was a Dem Congress that went along with it

Again you're wrong.
No, there was no "Dem Congress that went along with it."
The Bush tax cuts of 2001 & 2003 were passed by the republicans.
You're either lying or just don't know any better.
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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
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edge540 wrote:
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There's an old saying that 2 wrongs don't make a right but keep in mind that it was a Dem Congress that went along with it

Again you're wrong.
No, there was no "Dem Congress that went along with it."
The Bush tax cuts of 2001 & 2003 were passed by the republicans.
You're either lying or just don't any better.
nice try


Indeed we DO need a healthy round of tax cuts. In fact let's retire the national debt, live with a balanced budget, and eliminate personal income tax entirely. :smt004

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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
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You betcha, more of the same...
Those Bush tax cuts worked so marvelously well we need even more.
The 'have & have more's' like my brother especially need another $90,000 cut.
His Lexus 460 is 3 years old & it's time for a new one....hold it, maybe it's the 911 that's 3 years old...I'm not sure, now.

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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:27 am 
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Mirage wrote:

If you were you'd weatherstrip that house without asking, charge 3 times what it should be, and place a lean on the title until you get paid. :mrgreen:

I'm afraid it's more than just weatherstriping.
How much do you think it would cost for new energy efficient Anderson or Pella windows on a 3,000 sq ft home, a new heating & cooling system, new roofing, insulation, water heater & all new appliances?...eh?

Gee, you think all that would be around $25,000?

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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:30 am 
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edge540 wrote:


The 'have & have more's' like my brother especially need another $90,000 cut.
His Lexus 460 is 3 years old & it's time for a new one....hold it, maybe it's the 911 that's 3 years old...I'm not sure, now.



And why would it be OK for anyone to take more of it from him and redistribute it to someone else who had no hand in earning it? Why is that not only OK, but desirable in your world?


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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:47 am 
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My brother is 'typical' conservative republican.
The money he makes is at the expense of others that make much less.
A few years ago he fired 200 actuaries that were replaced by actuaries in India, in other words cheaper labor= more money for my brother & the company.
I asked him what about all those people here that do not have jobs now.
his answer:
"F**k em', not my problem"

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Tax Cuts and Fairness
The tax cuts enacted in recent years have gone disproportionately to high-income Americans. In 2007, the 0.3 percent of households with incomes above $1 million received about $120,000, on average, from the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, according to estimates by the Urban Institute-Brookings Institution Tax Policy Center. In contrast, households in the middle of the income spectrum received tax cuts averaging $740. The Tax Policy Center estimates also show that the tax cuts represent a larger fraction of income for high-income households than for low- or middle-income households, a clear indication of these tax cuts’ regressivity.

Myth 6: The tax cuts have made the tax system more progressive.
“The President’s tax cuts have made the tax code more progressive, which also narrows the difference in take-home earnings.” — Council of Economic Advisers Chair Edward Lazear and Katherine Baicker, then a member of the Council of Economic Advisers, May 8, 2006

Reality: The tax cuts have made the distribution of take-home pay more unequal — at a time when inequality in before-tax income has also increased.
A progressive tax change, like a progressive tax system, is one that reduces inequality. In Lazear and Baicker’s terms, it is a tax cut that “narrows the difference in take-home earnings.” Take-home earnings consist of a person’s income after taxes have been paid. So a progressive tax cut would be one that raised after-tax incomes for those at the bottom of the income spectrum by a larger percentage than for those at the top, increasing their share of total take-home pay.

The President’s tax policies, however, have widened the differences in take-home pay between high- and low- and middle-income households, according to Tax Policy Center estimates. When the tax cuts are fully in effect, households with incomes above $1 million will receive tax cuts equivalent to an increase of 7.5 percent in their after-tax income. Households in the middle of the income spectrum will receive tax cuts equal to only 2.3 percent of their income. And households in the bottom quintile will gain by less than one percent.

Put another way, households with incomes over $1 million will hold a larger fraction of total U.S. after-tax income than they would have received without the tax cuts, while households in the middle and bottom quintiles will hold a smaller share. The tax cuts thus have widened, rather than narrowed, income gaps, making them regressive. (http://www.cbpp.org/3-11-08tax.htm)

While comparisons of percent changes in after-tax earnings measure the tax cuts’ effect on the distribution of income, the dollar values of the tax cuts received by different income groups are also relevant to evaluating these tax cuts’ overall fairness. For example, over the next ten years (assuming the tax cuts are extended), more than $800 billion will be spent on tax cuts for the 0.3 percent of households with incomes above $1 million, with these tax cuts averaging over $150,000 per-household annually. At issue is whether this represents an appropriate use of scarce public resources. (http://www.cbpp.org/2-4-08tax.htm)

The skewed distribution of the tax cuts is of particular concern given that, since 2001, gaps in before-tax income have widened. As of 2006, the highest-income 1 percent of households held a larger share of total pre-tax income that in any year since 1928. (http://www.cbpp.org/3-27-08tax2.htm).

Myth 7: The tax cuts have made the tax system more fair to small business owners.
“We cut the taxes on the small business owners… [I]t makes sense to let small businesses keep more of the money they make.” — President Bush, April 13, 2006

Reality: The President’s tax cuts affect small business owners much as they affect the population as a whole: they provide large gains to those with high incomes and little benefit to others.
One major benefit the President’s tax cuts have supposedly offered small business owners is the reduction in the top individual income tax rate, from 39.6 percent to 35 percent. Because small business owners pay individual income tax on their business income, the Administration contends that they are disproportionate beneficiaries of the rate reduction.

But a Tax Policy Center analysis found that only 1.3 percent of filers with small business income are subject to the top income tax rate and so benefit from lowering it. Moreover, these households hardly conform to the popular image of a small business owner: they derived, on average, less than a third of their total income from a small business. (http://www.cbpp.org/3-21-07tax.htm)

An even more muddled mythology surrounds the issue of small business owners and the estate tax. Despite oft-repeated claims that the estate tax has dire consequences for family farms and small businesses, there is in fact very little evidence that it has any significant impact on these groups. An analysis by the Congressional Budget Office found that exceedingly few farms and small businesses owe any estate tax. Indeed, the American Farm Federation acknowledged to the New York Times that it could not cite a single example of a farm having to be sold to pay estate taxes.

Myth 8: Even if high-income taxpayers have received the largest gains from the tax cuts, taxpayers across the income spectrum have benefited.
“President Bush’s tax relief benefits all taxpayers.” — White House Fact Sheet, May 11, 2006

Reality: Taking into account the fact that their costs eventually must be paid for, most American families likely will lose from the tax cuts over the long run.

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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:52 am 
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Tax Cuts and Fairness
The tax cuts enacted in recent years have gone disproportionately to high-income Americans. In 2007, the 0.3 percent of households with incomes above $1 million received about $120,000, on average, from the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, according to estimates by the Urban Institute-Brookings Institution Tax Policy Center. In contrast, households in the middle of the income spectrum received tax cuts averaging $740. The Tax Policy Center estimates also show that the tax cuts represent a larger fraction of income for high-income households than for low- or middle-income households, a clear indication of these tax cuts’ regressivity.

Myth 6: The tax cuts have made the tax system more progressive.
“The President’s tax cuts have made the tax code more progressive, which also narrows the difference in take-home earnings.” — Council of Economic Advisers Chair Edward Lazear and Katherine Baicker, then a member of the Council of Economic Advisers, May 8, 2006

Reality: The tax cuts have made the distribution of take-home pay more unequal — at a time when inequality in before-tax income has also increased.
A progressive tax change, like a progressive tax system, is one that reduces inequality. In Lazear and Baicker’s terms, it is a tax cut that “narrows the difference in take-home earnings.” Take-home earnings consist of a person’s income after taxes have been paid. So a progressive tax cut would be one that raised after-tax incomes for those at the bottom of the income spectrum by a larger percentage than for those at the top, increasing their share of total take-home pay.

The President’s tax policies, however, have widened the differences in take-home pay between high- and low- and middle-income households, according to Tax Policy Center estimates. When the tax cuts are fully in effect, households with incomes above $1 million will receive tax cuts equivalent to an increase of 7.5 percent in their after-tax income. Households in the middle of the income spectrum will receive tax cuts equal to only 2.3 percent of their income. And households in the bottom quintile will gain by less than one percent.

Put another way, households with incomes over $1 million will hold a larger fraction of total U.S. after-tax income than they would have received without the tax cuts, while households in the middle and bottom quintiles will hold a smaller share. The tax cuts thus have widened, rather than narrowed, income gaps, making them regressive. (http://www.cbpp.org/3-11-08tax.htm)

While comparisons of percent changes in after-tax earnings measure the tax cuts’ effect on the distribution of income, the dollar values of the tax cuts received by different income groups are also relevant to evaluating these tax cuts’ overall fairness. For example, over the next ten years (assuming the tax cuts are extended), more than $800 billion will be spent on tax cuts for the 0.3 percent of households with incomes above $1 million, with these tax cuts averaging over $150,000 per-household annually. At issue is whether this represents an appropriate use of scarce public resources. (http://www.cbpp.org/2-4-08tax.htm)

The skewed distribution of the tax cuts is of particular concern given that, since 2001, gaps in before-tax income have widened. As of 2006, the highest-income 1 percent of households held a larger share of total pre-tax income that in any year since 1928. (http://www.cbpp.org/3-27-08tax2.htm).

Myth 7: The tax cuts have made the tax system more fair to small business owners.
“We cut the taxes on the small business owners… [I]t makes sense to let small businesses keep more of the money they make.” — President Bush, April 13, 2006

Reality: The President’s tax cuts affect small business owners much as they affect the population as a whole: they provide large gains to those with high incomes and little benefit to others.
One major benefit the President’s tax cuts have supposedly offered small business owners is the reduction in the top individual income tax rate, from 39.6 percent to 35 percent. Because small business owners pay individual income tax on their business income, the Administration contends that they are disproportionate beneficiaries of the rate reduction.

But a Tax Policy Center analysis found that only 1.3 percent of filers with small business income are subject to the top income tax rate and so benefit from lowering it. Moreover, these households hardly conform to the popular image of a small business owner: they derived, on average, less than a third of their total income from a small business. (http://www.cbpp.org/3-21-07tax.htm)

An even more muddled mythology surrounds the issue of small business owners and the estate tax. Despite oft-repeated claims that the estate tax has dire consequences for family farms and small businesses, there is in fact very little evidence that it has any significant impact on these groups. An analysis by the Congressional Budget Office found that exceedingly few farms and small businesses owe any estate tax. Indeed, the American Farm Federation acknowledged to the New York Times that it could not cite a single example of a farm having to be sold to pay estate taxes.

Myth 8: Even if high-income taxpayers have received the largest gains from the tax cuts, taxpayers across the income spectrum have benefited.
“President Bush’s tax relief benefits all taxpayers.” — White House Fact Sheet, May 11, 2006

Reality: Taking into account the fact that their costs eventually must be paid for, most American families likely will lose from the tax cuts over the long run.


Were you answering me? If not, my apologies. If so, that looks like good stuff, but why do YOU think it's OK to take more stuff from your brother, or anyone who earned it, and give it to those who had no hand in earning it?


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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:04 pm 
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I like the progressive tax system, I think it's fair.
Conservative republicans that make over seven figures at the expense of others do not.
Of course not all rich people are greedy conservative republicans. There are wealthy billionaires that do not mind paying taxes like Warren Buffett.
My brother at one time worked for an insurance company owend by Buffett.
They did not get along.

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 Post subject: Re: Constitutional Convention in Process by 20 States Already
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edge540 wrote:
I like the progressive tax system.
Conservative republicans that make over seven figures at the expense of others do not.


That's cool.
Is it only wealthy conservative Republicans who make their money at the expense of others? Wealthy liberal Democrats earn it all the hard and honest way?


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