ClimateGate reveals 'questionable scientific practices'

USMarine · **Joined:** Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:55 am **Posts:** 10483

Well, well,well......looks like the Ali bin Obama White House is involved with 'ClimateGate' right up to their funny looking ears.

Go figure.

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Climategate: White House Involvement in Scandal Will Make It Harder for MSM to Ignore

By P.J. Gladnick | November 26, 2009 - 08:16

Yesterday Brian Williams delivered an NBC Nightly News report about President Obama attending the Copenhagen global warming summit. Guess what hot topic was left untouched? If you had guessed Climategate you would have been correct. Not only Williams but also the other TV networks, with the exception of FOX News, have completely ignored what is considered to be the biggest scientific scandal in history. However, new Climategate revelations made by the Canada Free Press about a White House connection to the scandal will soon make it much more difficult (and ridiculous) for the networks to ignore.

Canada Free Press editor Judi McLeod and Canadian climatologist Dr. Tim Ball reveal the involvement of White House Science Czar John Holdren (photo) in the Climategate Scandal. The picture presented of Holdren is not a pretty one:

Lift up a rock and another snake comes slithering out from the ongoing University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit (CRU) scandal, now riding as â€œClimategateâ€.

Obama Science Czar John Holdren is directly involved in CRUâ€™s unfolding Climategate scandal. In fact, according to files released by a CEU hacker or whistleblower, Holdren is involved in what Canada Free Press (CFP) columnist Canadian climatologist Dr. Tim Ball terms â€œa truculent and nasty manner that provides a brief demonstration of his lack of understanding, commitment on faith and willingness to ridicule and bully peopleâ€.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladni ... der-msm-ig

LaughingAtLakeCo · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:22 pm **Posts:** 1435

sparks wrote:

There are people that still believe that the Earth is flat,too. They also become upset when the rest of the scientific community discredits them because their theories have no basis in fact.If you think AGW is a myth, then your parents wasted all the money they spent to send you to Culver. They must not understand the concept that you can't fix stupid.

A guy who majored in sociology at U of C that ends up living in a drab neighborhood in Hammond, Indiana; who ends up punching a clock at a multinational petroleum producer/polluter; who rails about education but dooms his own daughter to attend a Grade Z high school; who speechifies about closing a bar but goes to bat for the dirtball political operative and his parasitic family that lives right next door; whose entire scientific library begins with "www." talks about wasted money and opportunity? You can't fix addle-brained, I guess.

USMarine wrote:

Everyone just ignore the fact that the truth has been covered up by deleting emails, lying about the data, supressing opposing views, redefining peer review, using 'tricks' to increase temperatures and claim it's 'real' data...etc..etc...etc.

Say, doesn't this sort of sound like how the Oracle and other idle municipal employees went about shutting down the Times chat board? I know Oracle likes to compare that prank to the French Revolution, but it just seems a bit more pedestrian than that to me. Anyway, now I can see why Spunk and the Political Sniveler of 'da Region have become such fast friends.

happy jack · **Joined:** Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:32 am **Posts:** 3789

Itâ€™s now become clear to me why the warmists insist on relying only upon data acquired from or approved by â€˜peer-reviewedâ€™ sources â€“ the â€˜peersâ€™ will, through deceit and fabrication, invariably tell them exactly what they want to hear, whether true or not.

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB1 ... DYyWj.html

The climatologists at the center of last week's leaked-email and document scandal have taken the line that it is all much ado about nothing. Yes, the wording of the some of their messages was unfortunate, but they insist this in no way undermines the underlying science, which is as certain as ever.
"What they've done is search through stolen personal emailsâ€”confidential between colleagues who often speak in a language they understand and is often foreign to the outside world," Penn State's Michael Mann told Reuters Wednesday. Mr. Mann added that this has made "something innocent into something nefarious."
Phil Jones, Director of the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit, from which the emails were lifted, is singing from the same climate hymnal. "My colleagues and I accept that some of the published emails do not read well. I regret any upset or confusion caused as a result. Some were clearly written in the heat of the moment, others use colloquialisms frequently used between close colleagues," he said this week.
We don't doubt that Mr. Jones would have phrased his emails differently if he expected them to end up in the newspaper. His May 2008 email to Mr. Mann regarding the U.N.'s Fourth Assessment Report: "Mike, Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4?" does not "read well," it's true. (Mr. Mann has said he didn't delete any such emails.)
But the furor over these documents is not about tone, colloquialisms or even whether climatologists are nice people in private. The real issue is what the messages say about the way the much-ballyhooed scientific consensus on global warming was arrived at in the first place, and how even now a single view is being enforced. In short, the impression left by the correspondence among Messrs. Mann and Jones and others is that the climate-tracking game has been rigged from the start.
According to this privileged group, only those whose work has been published in select scientific journals, after having gone through the "peer-review" process, can be relied on to critique the science. And sure enough, any challenges that critics have lobbed at climatologists from outside this clique are routinely dismissed and disparaged.
This past September, Mr. Mann told a New York Times reporter in one of the leaked emails that: "Those such as [Stephen] McIntyre who operate almost entirely outside of this system are not to be trusted." Mr. McIntyre is a retired Canadian businessman who fact-checks the findings of climate scientists and often publishes the mistakes he findsâ€”including some in Mr. Mann's workâ€”on his Web site, Climateaudit.org. He holds the rare distinction of having forced Mr. Mann to publish a correction to one of his more-famous papers.
As anonymous reviewers of choice for certain journals, Mr. Mann & Co. had considerable power to enforce the consensus, but it was not absolute, as they discovered in 2003. Mr. Mann noted to several colleagues in an email from March 2003, when the journal "Climate Research" published a paper not to Mr. Mann's liking, that "This was the danger of always criticising the skeptics for not publishing in the 'peer-reviewed literature'. Obviously, they found a solution to thatâ€”take over a journal!"
The scare quotes around "peer-reviewed literature," by the way, are Mr. Mann's. He went on in the email to suggest that the journal itself be blackballed: "Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal. We would also need to consider what we tell or request of our more reasonable colleagues who currently sit on the editorial board." In other words, keep dissent out of the respected journals. When that fails, re-define what constitutes a respected journal to exclude any that publish inconvenient views. It's easy to manufacture a scientific consensus when you get to decide what counts as science.The response to this among the defenders of Mr. Mann and his circle has been that even if they did disparage doubters and exclude contrary points of view, theirs is still the best climate science we've got. The proof for this is circular. It's the best, we're told, because it's the most-published and most-citedâ€”in that same peer-reviewed literature.Even so, by rigging the rules, they've made it impossible to know how good it really is. And then, one is left to wonder why they felt the need to rig the game in the first place, if their science is as robust as they claim. If there's an innocent explanation for that, we'd love to hear it.

USMarine · **Joined:** Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:55 am **Posts:** 10483

happy jack wrote:

Itâ€™s now become clear to me why the warmists insist on relying only upon data acquired from or approved by â€˜peer-reviewedâ€™ sources â€“ the â€˜peersâ€™ will, through deceit and fabrication, invariably tell them exactly what they want to hear, whether true or not.

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB1 ... DYyWj.html

The climatologists at the center of last week's leaked-email and document scandal have taken the line that it is all much ado about nothing. Yes, the wording of the some of their messages was unfortunate, but they insist this in no way undermines the underlying science, which is as certain as ever.
"What they've done is search through stolen personal emailsâ€”confidential between colleagues who often speak in a language they understand and is often foreign to the outside world," Penn State's Michael Mann told Reuters Wednesday. Mr. Mann added that this has made "something innocent into something nefarious."

Indeed.

But Americans will confront that which the British were unwilling and unable to confront, THE TRUTH.

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Climategate e-mails sweep America, may scuttle Barack Obama's Cap and Trade laws

By Gerald Warner Politics Last updated: November 26th, 2009

Just a few considerations in addition to previous remarks about the explosion of the East Anglia Climategate e-mails in America. The reaction is growing exponentially there. Fox News, Barack Obamaâ€™s Nemesis, is now on the case, trampling all over Al Goreâ€™s organic vegetable patch and breaking the White House windows. It has extracted some of the juiciest quotes from the e-mails and displayed them on-screen, with commentaries. Joe Public, coast-to-coast, now knows, thanks to the clowns at East Angliaâ€™s CRU, just how royally he has been screwed.

At the more domestic level, the proposed ban on incandescent light bulbs, so supinely accepted in this servile state of Britain, is now provoking a huge backlash in America. US citizens do not like the government coming into their houses and putting their lights out. Voters may not understand the cut and thrust of climate debate at the technical level, but they know when the Man from Washington has crossed their threshold uninvited.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geral ... rade-laws/

Freedom Fighter · **Joined:** Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:13 am **Posts:** 475

The Trojan Horse has thrown a shoe.

USMarine · **Joined:** Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:55 am **Posts:** 10483

Does everyone have their snow boots ready...?

Don't forget to carry a 'survival kit' in your car and keep your cell phone battery charged.

It's going to be one heck of a winter....... :smt005

(My snowmobile is ready and I can't wait....

)

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Scientists Square Off In Heated ClimateGate Debate

By Noel Sheppard (Bio | Archive)
November 27, 2009 - 12:55 ET

As NewsBusters reported Thursday, the international television news network Russia Today has been doing an outstanding job of reporting the growing ClimateGate scandal.

*The case [for anthropogenic global warming] is blown to smithereens [by this scandal], and this whole theory should be destroyed and discarded and Copenhagen conference should be closed.

*The world is cooling and has been cooling for seven years, and the leading scientists, so-called "scientists," have been trying to hide that evidence.

*The data, real data, over the last one thousand, ten thousand or million years, shows there is no relationship between carbon dioxide and world temperatures or climate extremes. Now we can see that actually the people in charge of data have been fiddling it, and they have been hiding the real decline in world temperatures in an attempt to keep their so called moral high ground.

*The Copenhagen jamboree is a scandal and it must be stopped.

*There is a gigantic bandwagon run by governments who want to control world energy supplies and hold back development in the third world. This thing they are doing now is just the same as they are doing in the banking crisis, it is creating a whole bubble of false values.

*Their claims are false, I repeat, they are false, and this theory they've got is like the Titanic and it will crash. I would suggest that honest green campaigners who want to preserve biodiversity should get off this [man-made global warming] bandwagon before it sinks.

*Carbon dioxide levels are driven by temps, not the other way around. There have been big peaks in CO2 in past...carbon dioxide is actually a good thing for the world...More CO2 makes plants and animals more efficient.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... ate-debate

Moby Grape · **Joined:** Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:19 pm **Posts:** 13802

another LIE in the Obama Administration gets exposed...

USMarine · **Joined:** Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:55 am **Posts:** 10483

Sweeeeet...... :lol:

I think they should have a fair investigation and then throw the lying scumbag out on the street.

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ClimateGate's Michael Mann Being Investigated By Penn State

By Noel Sheppard (Bio | Archive)
November 28, 2009 - 14:10 ET

As a result of the growing ClimateGate scandal, Penn State University is investigating Michael Mann, its high-profile professor on the sending and receiving end of controversial e-mail messages recently obtained from a British Climate Research Unit.

Mann, as one of the originators of the infamous Hockey Stick graph, is the climatologist at the very heart of the global warming myth.

As the creator of "Mike's Nature trick," a particularly damning phrase used in one of the e-mail messages in question, Mann is also a key figure in ClimateGate.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... penn-state

happy jack · **Joined:** Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:32 am **Posts:** 3789

I've noticed that, in the past, whenever something new would come up on the subject of global warming, heretic would be on it like stink on a monkey (no pun intended).
Not so much this time.

USMarine · **Joined:** Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:55 am **Posts:** 10483

happy jack wrote:

I've noticed that, in the past, whenever something new would come up on the subject of global warming, heretic would be on it like stink on a monkey (no pun intended).
Not so much this time.

He still posts on the other bored once in awhile but he may have earned a vacation by having the audacity to disagree with artie on something.

That sort of thing is a Bozo no-no and as a few people here can attest, disagreement with artie or markh will get you bounced quicker than a basketball in a Gary alley. Splorks still reads his tripe and tries to post it here but he doesn't have the eduction to understand what he is posting and so it is pretty much is an exercise in futility.

This whole scandal is about to blow wide open and I wouldn't be surprised if a few of these guys put a gun barrel in their mouth after they lose their reputations and jobs.

:smt006

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Climategate: University of East Anglia U-turn in climate change row

Leading British scientists at the University of East Anglia, who were accused of manipulating climate change data - dubbed Climategate - have agreed to publish their figures in full.

By Robert Mendick
Published: 8:55PM GMT 28 Nov 2009

The U-turn by the university follows a week of controversy after the emergence of hundreds of leaked emails, "stolen" by hackers and published online, triggered claims that the academics had massaged statistics.

In a statement welcomed by climate change sceptics, the university said it would make all the data accessible as soon as possible, once its Climatic Research Unit (CRU) had negotiated its release from a range of non-publication agreements.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenh ... e-row.html

Moby Grape · **Joined:** Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:19 pm **Posts:** 13802

sparks wrote:

There are people that still believe that the Earth is flat,too.

READ this dummy...

Orson Welles radio broadcast of War of the Worlds

ever heard of it?

tell us what these folks did sparks.

-={ARCLIGHT}=- · **Posted:** Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:36 pm

From The Sunday Times
November 29, 2009
Climate change data dumped
Jonathan Leake, Environment Editor

SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.

It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years.

The UEAâ€™s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) was forced to reveal the loss following requests for the data under Freedom of Information legislation.

The data were gathered from weather stations around the world and then adjusted to take account of variables in the way they were collected. The revised figures were kept, but the originals â€” stored on paper and magnetic tape â€” were dumped to save space when the CRU moved to a new building.
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The admission follows the leaking of a thousand private emails sent and received by Professor Phil Jones, the CRUâ€™s director. In them he discusses thwarting climate sceptics seeking access to such data.

In a statement on its website, the CRU said: â€œWe do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (quality controlled and homogenised) data.â€

The CRU is the worldâ€™s leading centre for reconstructing past climate and temperatures. Climate change sceptics have long been keen to examine exactly how its data were compiled. That is now impossible.

Roger Pielke, professor of environmental studies at Colorado University, discovered data had been lost when he asked for original records. â€œThe CRU is basically saying, â€˜Trust usâ€™. So much for settling questions and resolving debates with science,â€ he said.

Jones was not in charge of the CRU when the data were thrown away in the 1980s, a time when climate change was seen as a less pressing issue. The lost material was used to build the databases that have been his lifeâ€™s work, showing how the world has warmed by 0.8C over the past 157 years.

He and his colleagues say this temperature rise is â€œunequivocallyâ€ linked to greenhouse gas emissions generated by humans. Their findings are one of the main pieces of evidence used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which says global warming is a threat to humanity.

-={ARCLIGHT}=- · **Posted:** Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:42 pm

Climate change: this is the worst scientific scandal of our generation

Moby Grape · **Joined:** Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:19 pm **Posts:** 13802

-={ARCLIGHT}=- wrote:

SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.

dog ate my homework....

edge540 · **Joined:** Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:42 pm **Posts:** 7910

Too bad the denialists can't find any emails from:

NASA's Goddard Institute of Space Studies
the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
the National Academy of Sciences
the Environmental Protection Agency
the American Geophysical Union
the American Institute of Physics
the National Center for Atmospheric Research
the American Meteorological Society
the National Research Council
the US Geological Survey
the US Dept of Agriculture
the vast majority of peer review
as well as independent research
the Pentagon
the White House
Scientific American
Department of Atmospheric Sciences at Texas A&M
the American Physical Society
Jason Defense Advisory Group
the Center for Naval Analyses

yeah, it's really a shame

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