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 Post subject: Re: Obama is now the undisputed “Worst President in U.S. History
PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:49 am 
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however once the Great Society of LBJ was initiated it all went to hell....

Nah, that's what the voices in the heads of racists say. Fact is it all started when Bonzo's co-star, Ronnie Reagan the patron saint of braindead conservatives got elected:
CBO Study of Income Equality Since Reagan: We Got Screwed
I've been writing about this stuff for almost a decade and now it's all slowly being acknowledged even if it's too late to do anything about it. Yesterday the Congressional Budget Office released a report on income distribution since the Reagan Administration and it show in hard numbers pretty much what many of us have been saying all along: the rich have been getting a LOT richer and they've been doing it on the backs of the poor....
...Between 1979 and 2005, the bottom half of the top 1 percent saw their average incomes only double, after inflation. These incomes increased 105 percent. The next highest four-tenths of the top 1 percent somewhat raised the income bar. Their average incomes, after inflation, rose 161 percent.

That brings us to the top 0.1 percent of Americans. Their incomes, from 1979 to 2005, rose a staggering 294 percent after taking inflation into account. Not bad at all. But the top 0.01 percent did even better. The 11,000 households in this rarified air took home an average $35.5 million in 2005, a 384 percent increase over average top 0.01 percent incomes in 1979.


http://open.salon.com/blog/mick_arran/2 ... ot_screwed

http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/200 ... agan-years

http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=9884

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 Post subject: Re: Obama is now the undisputed “Worst President in U.S. History
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however once the Great Society of LBJ was initiated it all went to hell....

Nah, that's what the voices in the heads of racists say. Fact is it all starterd when Bonzo's co-star Ronnie Reagan, got elected:
CBO Study of Income Equality Since Reagan: We Got Screwed

http://open.salon.com/blog/mick_arran/2 ... ot_screwed



not a very worthy dodge of the subject dumbass,

you quoted DUMBO as saying ''It Never Worked''


So tell us you genius...on what principles did the Unites States become the richest nation in history in the shortest amount of time?

And name one nation of people, JUST ONE, as Obama describes as having MORE GUB'MINT INTRUSION AND CONTROL that has prospered in it's wealths and freedoms and opportunities?

Russia (Soviet Union) ?

China?

any of the middle eastern countries?

please, put away the troll and tell us. I'm sure everyone would love to hear it.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama is now the undisputed “Worst President in U.S. History
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Here is what the president actually said in full context without all the right wing bullshit spin:

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Now, just as there was in Teddy Roosevelt’s time, there’s been a certain crowd in Washington for the last few decades who respond to this economic challenge with the same old tune. “The market will take care of everything,” they tell us. If only we cut more regulations and cut more taxes – especially for the wealthy – our economy will grow stronger. Sure, there will be winners and losers. But if the winners do really well, jobs and prosperity will eventually trickle down to everyone else. And even if prosperity doesn’t trickle down, they argue, that’s the price of liberty.

It’s a simple theory – one that speaks to our rugged individualism and healthy skepticism of too much government. And that theory fits well on a bumper sticker. Here’s the problem: It doesn’t work. It has never worked. It didn’t work when it was tried in the decade before the Great Depression. It’s not what led to the incredible post-war boom of the 50s and 60s. And it didn’t work when we tried it during the last decade.


See, he's 100% spot on, the facts & the numbers prove it:
Obama on ‘Trickle Down’ Economics: ‘It Doesn’t Work, It Has Never Worked’
Obama is right. The trickle-down policies put in place since the Reagan administration haven’t brought prosperity to the middle- and working-classes; if anything, they have made prosperity an illusion for the vast majority of Americans who don’t directly benefit from them.

Tax cuts for the wealthy, primarily those passed by Republicans in 2001 and 2003, lowered rates for the richest Americans to historically low levels — but those cuts were followed by massive deficits and weak job growth, not the economic boom conservatives promised. Anti-regulatory policies helped lead to a predatory financial system that busted the housing market, nearly collapsed the financial industry, and threw America into a recession that largely spared — and even enriched — the nation’s wealthiest. At the same time, millions of lower- and middle-class Americans lost jobs, retirement funds, and any hope of economic prosperity in their lifetime. Under 30 years of trickle down policies, wage growth has stagnated even as CEO pay has boomed.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama is now the undisputed “Worst President in U.S. History
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lame dodge.

care to answer my question of naming a country that has followed that path?

Nazi Germany?

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Good to see you can't refute anything that I posted.
As far as your gibberish about other countries I have no idea of WTF you're trying to talk about. I don't waste time on red herrings.

How much has your income gone up in the last 10 or 20 years?...160%...?....290%...?...eh?

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Income Equality


Who cares? Why must you spineless libs have income equality? Now you sound like your little pussy friend 48. You want more and want to be like those whom you hate with a passion because they are smarter and worked harder than you? Both of you losers stole your livings at the gubmint feed trough, but you cry like babies that those who actually EARNED their money have more than you.
Libs are simply f***in unbelievable.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama is now the undisputed “Worst President in U.S. History
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I have no idea

We're well aware Ed


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 Post subject: Re: Obama is now the undisputed “Worst President in U.S. History
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Yes folks, there really are conservative brainstems who have no problem with this.
U.S. Income Inequality Worst Since 1920s, Say Economists
By Cliff Montgomery - Jan. 31st, 2011

Conservative economic policy over the last 35 years has produced the greatest economic inequality in
America since the dawn of the Great Depression, according to a study released by top economists.

Economists Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Saez used detailed micro-files from the Internal Revenue
Service as the basis for their report.

Piketty and Saez's study was released in August 2009. A short, easy-to-understand summary based on their
findings--which The American Spark prints below--was released in Sept. 2009 by the Center on Budget and
Policy Priorities (CBPP), a major policy think-tank.

It hardly needs to be said, but Piketty and Saez's findings are just as valid today.

"Two-thirds of the nation’s total income gains from 2002 to 2007 flowed to the top 1 percent of U.S.
households, and that top 1 percent held a larger share of income in 2007 than at any time since 1928,
according to an analysis of newly released IRS data by economists Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Saez.

"During those years, the Piketty-Saez data also show, the inflation-adjusted income of the top 1 percent of
households grew more than ten times faster than the income of the bottom 90 percent of households.


"The last economic expansion began in November 2001 and ended in December 2007, according to the
National Bureau of Economic Research, which means the Piketty-Saez data essentially cover that expansion.
"The last time such a large share of the income gain during an expansion went to the top 1 percent of
households — and such a small share went to the bottom 90 percent of households — was in the 1920s. [A
reminder: the 1920s was the era which brought on the Great Depression.]

"Piketty and Saez’s unique data series on income inequality, based on IRS files, is particularly valuable
because it provides detailed information on income gains at the top of the income scale and extends back to
1913.

"The new data show:

2007 marked the fifth straight year in which income gains at the top outpaced those among the rest of
the population. From 2002 to 2007, the average inflation-adjusted income of the top 1 percent of
households rose 62 percent, compared to 4 percent for the bottom 90 percent of households.

The share of the nation’s income flowing to the top 1 percent of households increased sharply, from 16.9
percent in 2002 to 23.5 percent in 2007 — a larger share than at any point since 1928. In 2000, at the
peak of the 1990s boom, the top 1 percent received 21.5 percent of total income.

Income gains have been even more pronounced among those at the very top of the income scale. The
incomes of the top one-tenth of 1 percent (0.1 percent) of U.S. households have grown more rapidly
than the incomes of the top 1 percent of households as a whole, rising by 94 percent — or $3.5 million
per household — since 2002.

"The share of the nation’s income flowing to the top one-tenth of 1 percent of households increased from 7.3
percent of the total income in the nation in 2002 to 12.3 percent in 2007. This is the highest level in the Piketty-
Saez data going back to 1913, surpassing even the previous peak in 1928.

"The uneven distribution of economic gains in recent years continues a longer-term trend that began in the late
1970s.

"In the three decades following World War II (1946-1976), robust economic gains were shared widely, with the
incomes of the bottom 90 percent actually increasing more rapidly in percentage terms, on average, than the
incomes of the top 1 percent.

"But in the three decades since 1976, the incomes of the bottom 90 percent of households have risen only
slightly, on average, while the incomes of the top 1 percent have soared.

"With the latest IRS data, we now have a complete picture of income concentration during the recent
economic expansion, which ended in December 2007, although we do not yet have data on the recession’s
effects on income concentration. [...]

"Whether the highest income households will once more capture a highly disproportionate share of income
gains as the economy begins to recover is uncertain, but Saez, along with Harvard economist Lawrence Katz,
points to previous recessions and notes that only major policy shifts like the New Deal have prevented income
concentration from 'bouncing back' after a decline.

"In the absence of significant policy changes, income concentration levels could well return to their previous
highs after the current recession ends and resume their 30-year climb."




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 Post subject: Re: Obama is now the undisputed “Worst President in U.S. History
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edge540 wrote:
Income Inequality


BFD. Jealous asswipe? Should have kept that big blowhard, braggin mouth shut, listened a little more and worked a little harder.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama is now the undisputed “Worst President in U.S. History
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Good to see you can't refute anything that I posted.


refute what?

some blogger pulling numbers out of his ass?

you're the idiot who thinks the Solyndra scandal is ''phony''.

go troll somewhere else.

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refute what?

some blogger pulling numbers out of his ass?

The numbers come from the CBO, dumbass.
http://open.salon.com/blog/mick_arran/2 ... ot_screwed

So let me get this straight, YOU believe that there is no economic-income inequality in this country?...really?...seriously?

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go troll somewhere else.

Why, because I make you & the other idiots here look like ignorant fools all the time?

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YOU believe that there is no economic-income inequality in this country?...really?...seriously?


tell me in your own words what that means.

''economic-income inequality''

I don't think you have a f u c k i n g clue.

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Economic-income inequality? This country was founded as a land of opportunity to make your own way. If anything it's over regulation preventing that from happening. If you want "economic-income equality" feel free to immigrate to Cuba or Moscow. Everyone's broke there thanks to your model of prosperity. :roll:

My god you can't even be a US farmer anymore without a lot of worthless red tape and the gobernment dictating how you farm comrade. No wonder our food is being grown out of the country.

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Another Obama lie.

No it's not, it's 100% dead on.
Obama Strikes Populist Chord With Speech on G.O.P. Turf

By A. G. SULZBERGER

OSAWATOMIE, Kan. — Laying out a populist argument for his re-election next year, President Obama ventured into the conservative heartland on Tuesday to deliver his most pointed appeal yet for a strong governmental role through tax and regulation to level the economic playing field.

“This country succeeds when everyone gets a fair shot, when everyone does their fair share and when everyone plays by the same rules,” Mr. Obama said in an address that sought to tie his economic differences with Republicans into an overarching message.

Infusing his speech with the moralistic language that has emerged in the Occupy protests around the nation, Mr. Obama warned that growing income inequality meant that the United States was undermining its middle class and, “gives lie to the promise that’s at the very heart of America: that this is the place where you can make it if you try.”

“This is a make-or-break moment for the middle class, and all those who are fighting to get into the middle class,” Mr. Obama told the crowd packed into the gym at Osawatomie High School.

“At stake,” he said, “is whether this will be a country where working people can earn enough to raise a family, build a modest savings, own a home, and secure their retirement.”

Mr. Obama purposefully chose this hardscrabble town of 4,500 people, about 50 miles south of Kansas City, Kan., where Theodore Roosevelt once laid out the progressive platform he called “the New Nationalism” to put forth his case for a payroll tax cut and his broader arguments against the Republican economic agenda in what his aides hoped would be viewed as a defining speech.

Though it was lacking in specific new policy prescriptions, the hourlong speech, and the days of buildup that preceded it, marked the president’s starkest attack on what he described as the “breathtaking greed” that contributed to the economic turmoil still reverberating around the nation. At one point, he noted that the average income of the top 1 percent — adopting the marker that has been the focus of the Occupy movement — has gone up by more than 250 percent, to $1.2 million a year.

The new tack reflected a decision by the White House and the president’s campaign aides that — with the economic recovery still lagging and Republicans in Congress continuing to oppose the president’s jobs proposals — the best course for Mr. Obama is to try to present himself as the defender of working-class Americans and Republicans as defenders of a small elite.

Republicans, though, portrayed the visit to Osawatomie (pronounced oh-suh-WAHT-ah-mee) as an effort by the president to paper over his failed stewardship of the national economy. Though unemployment levels dropped to 8.6 percent last month, they remain higher than the level at which any president has been re-elected since the Great Depression.

Mitt Romney, one of the contenders for the Republican presidential nomination, dismissed the president’s address. “I thought, ‘In what way is he like Teddy Roosevelt?’ ” Mr. Romney said. “Teddy Roosevelt founded the Bull Moose Party. One of those words applies when the president talks about how he’s helped the economy.”

The trip was Mr. Obama’s third out of Washington in as many weeks to press for passage of the payroll tax break, which would reduce the how much employees pay for Social Security to 3.1 percent from the already reduced level of 4.2 percent. Under the Democratic proposal, which Republicans have blocked, the cut that would go to most working Americans would be offset in the budget by a 1. 9 percent surtax on those with modified adjusted gross incomes of more than $1 million. If Congress takes no action, the tax will revert back to 6.2 percent next month.

In Washington, the two parties remained at an impasse in their efforts to write legislation to extend the tax cut, with Senate Republicans rejecting the latest Democratic proposal and House Republicans still writing their own plan.

Though the earlier speeches on the payroll tax took place in swing states, the fact that the president brought the message to one of the most reliably Republican states in the country shows that he and his party are increasingly confident that they have found a message that resonates with voters.

This speech, however, was cast in broad historical terms, with Mr. Obama declaring that that after a century of struggle to build it, the middle class has been steadily eroded, even before the current economic turmoil, by Republican policies intended to reduce the size and scope of government — ranging from tax cuts for the wealthy to deregulation of Wall Street.

“Fewer and fewer of the folks who contributed to the success of our economy actually benefited from that success,” he said. “Those at the very top grew wealthier from their incomes and investments than ever before. But everyone else struggled with costs that were growing and paychecks that weren’t — and too many families found themselves racking up more and more debt.”

Mr. Obama sought to pre-empt a Republican response that he was engaging in class warfare. “This isn’t about class warfare,” he said. “This is about the nation’s welfare.”


If that speech were given in 1959 he would be impeached as a traitor. Looks like Joe McCarthy was right after all. He was just a little before his time.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama is now the undisputed “Worst President in U.S. History
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Angry Ed 540 wrote:

Why, because I make you & the other idiots here look like ignorant fools all the time?

That's what your little friend Sandusky60438 sez...so it must be a FACT, right Angry Ed.


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