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 Post subject: Re: Cheesed Off Wisconsin DemocRATS
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:52 pm 
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...First they start vilifying union public workers; then they will go after the private sector

Slow down, chuckmo. This is about public employee unions, not private sector unions.
Stop making stuff up.

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 Post subject: Re: Cheesed Off Wisconsin DemocRATS
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Wisconsin layoffs loom amid budget impasse

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker (R-WI) holds a news conference at the state Capitol in Madison,
MADISON, Wisconsin | Fri Mar 4, 2011 7:27pm EST

MADISON, Wisconsin (Reuters) - Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker issued layoff warning notices on Friday to unions representing state workers as a battle intensified between Republican and Democratic lawmakers over union bargaining rights that has sparked protests and a national debate.

"If the Senate Democrats come back to Wisconsin, these notices may be able to be rescinded and layoffs avoided," Walker said in a statement. "This action is necessary due to the delay in passage of the budget repair bill."

The warning notices were sent to at least 13 unions including AFSCME, Association of State Prosecutors and Wisconsin Education Association Council. The notes do not represent actual layoffs, but took the war of words between the newly elected governor and state Democrats to a new level.

The number of potential layoffs was not specified, but Walker said this week about 1,500 workers would be affected.


Two solutions, less pay and benefits, or fewer workers.

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 Post subject: Re: Cheesed Off Wisconsin DemocRATS
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"In the poll, 57% of respondents said public employees should have the right to collectively bargain, compared to 37% who said they should not."

Then that 57% should have been at the polls on election day in order to constitute a majority to keep Walker from being elected. It is no one's fault but their own.

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As part of his campaign platform, Walker said he would create 250,000 jobs in his first term through a program that would include tax reforms[16] such as rolling back the 2009 state tax increases on small businesses, capital gains, and income for top earners, and cutting state employee wages and benefits to help pay for the tax cuts....doesn't say anything about busting the unions...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Walker_(politician)

I guess this is the mantra of the repub party...Tax cuts for businesses and the wealthy, while lowering the overall pay for the actual people that perform the work. Businesses and the wealthy keep more of the money while the workers lose it to them. He is doing this on the backs of the working class people...which, again as I have said, represents the majority of us on this board...All this will do is lower the per capita income for the vast majority while benefiting the chosen few ...

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 Post subject: Re: Cheesed Off Wisconsin DemocRATS
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Gov. Scott Walker Has Lost The War

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All this will do is lower the per capita income for the vast majority while benefiting the chosen few ...[/color]
Except for the fact that the taxpayers are actually the vast majority, and the public union members are the actual chosen few.

Yes?

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Much like obammy!!

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 Post subject: Re: Cheesed Off Wisconsin DemocRATS
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What a difference a week makes...

48% Support Wisconsin Governor While Only 38% Support Union Employee
Published February 21, 2011 | By Cato Uticensis

http://american-conservativevalues.com/blog/48-support-wisconsin-governor-38-support-union-employee.html

Wisconsin Governor Walker: 43% Approval Rating
Friday, March 04, 2011

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A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Wisconsin Voters finds that just 34% Strongly Approve of the job he is doing, while 48% Strongly Disapprove. Overall, including those who somewhat approve or disapprove, the new Republican governor earns positive reviews from 43% and negative reviews from 57% of voters statewide.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/wisconsin/wisconsin_governor_walker_43_approval_rating

...and it is the Rasmussen Report

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 Post subject: Re: Cheesed Off Wisconsin DemocRATS
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chuckmo48 wrote:
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"In the poll, 57% of respondents said public employees should have the right to collectively bargain, compared to 37% who said they should not."

Then that 57% should have been at the polls on election day in order to constitute a majority to keep Walker from being elected. It is no one's fault but their own.

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As part of his campaign platform, Walker said he would ......... cutting state employee wages and benefits to help pay for the tax cuts....doesn't say anything about busting the unions...


Any informed voter would have had to ask exactly how Walker planned to cut "state employees' wages and benefits" without having a showdown with the union. Those who voted for him, or didn't bother to vote at all, and who are now protesting his actions, have only themselves to blame for their uninformed decision.

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 Post subject: Re: Cheesed Off Wisconsin DemocRATS
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chuckmo48 wrote:
He is doing this on the backs of the working class people...which, again as I have said, represents the majority of us on this board...


That's quite a presumption on your part chuckmo. Even if true, the "majority of us" on this board have clearly and decisively rejected unionism as just another cancerous wing of the Democratic Party. I think most of us do just fine supporting our families without union representation, would overwhelmingly reject it given the choice, and view those who NEED union representation as lazy, weak-minded, simps....you know...kinda like chuckmo48. It's comical when a guy like chuckmo tries to convince the rest of us that we should feel like him....a guy who owes everything he has to the taxpayer and ridiculous union contracts. If chuckmo really knows that the "majority of us" are "working class", then he also knows that unlike him, we're funding our own retirements. I don't blame him for what he has, but it's laughable when he tells us that we should just continue to go along with it when we are the ones having our backs broken by the likes of him.

Chuckmo, why did you willingly LIE about your social security status..a personal matter that you could have and should have kept quiet about?


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 Post subject: Re: Cheesed Off Wisconsin DemocRATS
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Chuckmo, why did you willingly LIE about your social security status..a personal matter that you could have and should have kept quiet about?

Not a lie at all...both posts were correct. As you know, a worker needs 40 qts. to be eligible for SS...first post did not have enough...while working the 3 years after I retired...I found out now had enough. I should be commended for telling the truth in both instances...I could have let the first post stand and not made a mention of the change in my circumstance. I still will never receive back the amount that I have paid into SS over the years. That will probably go the many of the poster's parents on this board...and to any posters that have mothers that never worked but will receive SS because their spouse is receiving it. I used my personal information because I wanted to add substantiation to the point(s) I was making at the time.

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 Post subject: Re: Cheesed Off Wisconsin DemocRATS
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Two solutions, less pay and benefits, or fewer workers.

...and do not think for one second that will not trickle down to the private sector...unionized or not! That is their master plan...less wages and benefits for all

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chuckmo48 wrote:
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Chuckmo, why did you willingly LIE about your social security status..a personal matter that you could have and should have kept quiet about?

Not a lie at all...both posts were correct. As you know, a worker needs 40 qts. to be eligible for SS...first post did not have enough...while working the 3 years after I retired...I found out now had enough. I should be commended for telling the truth in both instances...I could have let the first post stand and not made a mention of the change in my circumstance. I still will never receive back the amount that I have paid into SS over the years. That will probably go the many of the poster's parents on this board...and to any posters that have mothers that never worked but will receive SS because their spouse is receiving it. I used my personal information because I wanted to add substantiation to the point(s) I was making at the time.


Your explanation is noted and it's up to the reader to accept or reject. Won't be brought up again by me.
As far as Wisconsin goes, your viewpoint is understandable from your perspective. You directly owe most of what you have to this system and want to see it perpetuated forever. That said..I don't know why you have such difficulty seeing the viewpoint of those who finance these ridiculous union contracts, yet see very little benefit from them. Your claim that it will trickle down to the private sector is unsubstantiated and an emotional plea to see things your way...or we'll be sorry. Skilled workers who have educated and positioned themselves into competitive, in-demand fields such as health care and many, many others will continue to be paid top dollar and benefits by employers who are competing with each other for their services....... without the need for union representation/extortion. As always, mopes and those who have positioned themselves into "dime a dozen" fields like teaching (where under-performance is completely protected) and many, many others who depend on union protection will suffer from this long overdue union busting.


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Much like obammy!!



[url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703530504576164822561737348.html]Union Power for Thee, But Not for Me
If the president is so upset with Wisconsin's labor law reforms, why won't he allow federal workers to bargain collectively?
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The union horde is spreading, from Madison to Indianapolis to a state capital near you. And yet the Democratic and union bigwigs engineering the outrage haven’t directed their angry multitudes at what is arguably the most “hostile workplace” in the nation: Washington, D.C.

It will no doubt surprise you to learn that President Obama, the great patron of the working man, also happens to be the great CEO of one of the least union-friendly shop floors in the nation.

This is, after all, the president who has berated Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s proposal to limit the collective bargaining rights of public employees, calling the very idea an “assault on unions.” This is also the president who has sicced his political arm, Organizing for America, on Madison, allowing the group to fill buses and plan rallies. Ah, but it’s easy to throw rocks when you live in a stone (White) house.

Fact: President Obama is the boss of a civil work force that numbers up to two million (excluding postal workers and uniformed military). Fact: Those federal workers cannot bargain for wages or benefits. Fact: Washington, D.C. is, in the purest sense, a “right to work zone.” Federal employees are not compelled to join a union, nor to pay union dues.

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NJ Union Caught Interfering With Turnpike Bidding Process Gets Shown the Exit

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Saturday, March 5th at 11:00AM EST


They could have been contenders. Unfortunately, though, the union representing the nearly 300 New Jersey Turnpike toll collectors took an opportunity for preferential hiring on the state’s plans to privatize collections and tried to interfere with the process. Now, the Garden State has shown them the exit (so to speak).



With the advent of automated systems like EZ Pass that give motorists the ability to breeze through toll booths and be billed monthly, unionized toll collectors and their often surly, threatening and abusive demeanors [Hey! It's Joisey!] are going the way of the milkman.

As a result of NJ Governor Chris Christie’s efforts to trim the New Jersey budget, plans have been made to outsource toll collections on the New Jersey Turnpike and Parkway. This has caused quite a battle in the Garden State, as the union representing the NJ Turnpike toll collectors has tried to convince the state not to open up to private bids.

According to Tollroads News, as the state went out to bid, the International Federation of Professional and Technical Engineers, Local 194 sent out a “confidential” letter to its members instructing them to essentially interfere with the bidding process. In so doing, the State added an addendum to the Request for Proposal (RFP) that eliminated the union members’ “first right of refusal” to jobs with any new employer.

In the February 8th letter to her members, union president Franceline Ehret instructs her members to “fill out resumes and apply for jobs with ALL of the companies” bidding.

She goes on to state:

This is CRITICAL. Many of these companies WILL NOT want to come here when they see all the UNION MEMBERS who want these jobs. Many of these companies won’t want to have to deal with a UNION SHOP or fight over UNIONIZING the workers.

Twenty-four (24) companies came to tour our facilities on Monday February 7th. When they saw our picket line, once company wouldn’t cross and said they weren’t bidding. It shows we can succeed in backing them off. [Emphasis in original.]




Unfortunately for the union members, by paying a union that chose to fight using methods to make it and its members appear belligerent and foolish, the union has likely cost them the chance of getting jobs with whatever company becomes the new toll collector.

Though it’s not likely to happen, perhaps a dues refund is in order?

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