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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:38 pm 
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I was just watching the movie Vantage Point and a thought struck me. You may recall the movie.

The part that I wish to highlight is that there was a plot against the President by extremists so at the last minute they used a Presidential double. After the double was shot the joint chiefs wanted him to call in an air strike against the faction responsible and at first his advisers balked because how could the President call in an air strike after being shot without admitting the used doubles. Then the President looked outside and saw the body carnage from a bombing just after the shooting and surmised that the real goal of the terrorists was to cause the US to reach and thus eliminate the peace talks so he made the decision to do nothing and instead maintain world sympathy on his side, political capital if you will, as he entered the peace talks.

This becomes interesting because if we are indeed correct that the Antichrist will literally sustain a mortal wound to the head, and that this is not merely a symbolic reference of some type, and were he miraculously to be raised up he would be in a similar position to use that worldwide good will to promote his agenda. Would it be too much of a stretch to pin the assassination attempt on a Muslim or a Jew or some other group to lessen objections to what he would be proposing? It sure didn't hurt Pope John Paul II's worldwide credibility by being shot and showing compassion to the shooter, for instance.

Just something to think about.

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I just happened upon the Snoops supposed rebuttal of the possibility that Obama could be the Antichrist. Frankly all it shows me is the writer has a very limited knowledge of the Bible.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/antichrist.asp

As I wrote earlier in this thread there is reason to feel the Antichrist would be the son of a Muslim. Actually being a Muslim is not required and in fact from the wording sounds to me to imply he wouldn't be one himself. But he does have the right heritage! And on this point of his public religious beliefs since he voluntarily surrendered his membership in a controversial Chicago church I've not actually heard that he's picked a home congregation to join yet. Not even one that he just attends for that matter. The Bible also has far more references to this prophesied world leader than those cited by the severely lacking Snoops debunk effort.

In short, it sarcastically says in essence that there is no irrefutable proof that President Obama is the Antichrist and that at best he might be a false prophet leading the sheep away to be devoured by hungry wolves. Well duh! If there were detailed proof positive would he have been elected in 2008? :lol:

No, instead the point is there really is nothing which excludes him from being the Antichrist to date yet and you could have excluded every former President to date prior to their election for one reason or the other.

Perhaps Snoops shoulda read this passage Rev 13:5:

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And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.


blasphemies (WordWeb) - Blasphemous language (expressing disrespect for God or for something sacred)
- Blasphemous behaviour; the act of depriving something of its sacred character


However, it has been my understanding that the only people who can commit Biblical blasphemy is someone who once knew the truth and attributed the works of God to Satan. So under this definition one cannot commit the Biblical sin of blasphemy (which as it happens is the unpardonable sin) unless you actually knew the truth, as was the case of the Jewish religious leaders who conspired to murder Jesus.

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Revelations: He requires all of those, great and small, to receive a mark on their hand or forehead, as they will not buy,sell, or trade without the mark of the beast.

Here is another one. This was in The Wanderer, a Traditional Catholic publication.

HR875, written by Conneticut Democrat Rosa Delauro, is a bill designed to establish the Food Safety Administration within the Department of Health and Human Services.

The goal of this is to track all food, and gaurantee it's safety to the general public. ALL farms, small and large, including Organic Farms, would be required to register with the government. The government would have the authority to tell the farmers as to what seeds to plant, and what fertilizer and pesticide to be used. This bill would authorize the government to inspect, at any time, and without notice, the farms and the homes of the farmers. The farmers will be required to keep detailed records of the seeds, the fertilizer, the pesticide, and the receivers of their goods, whether sold, bartered, or traded. This new regulation would include all farms, even small family plots, who may have a small farmstand, or barter and trade their produce for other things. This bill could possibly outlaw small private farm stands, and the bartering or trading of produce for other things. NO ONE is exempt. This bill also includes farmers who raise animals for their food or eggs.

My Honey was a potato farmer in Wisconsin for several years. He had a small acreage. He bartered and traded his potato's with the other farmers for eggs, butter, meat, etc. He also used to sell truckloads of his potatoes, to buy life's other neccessities. Under this bill, he would be a criminal. Under this bill, I would be a criminal, as every year I make my own homemade jam and jellies from the black raspberries I grow in my yard, and give them to friends and family, who in return, sometimes give me something that I could use, or what they have extra.

This is total government control of every bite we eat. This is going to get a lot worse. Obama wants to control ALL of the financial institutions. He wants to control our children by forced servitude. He wants to control our food. He wants control of everything in our lives.

COULD Obama be the antichrist? Decide for yourself, as every day brings new restrictions and less freedom for the people. Total control, is the goal, and right now we are getting closer and closer.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:34 am 
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I wanted to add this link to the thread. It's about the NSA. If anything it begs the question why there isn't more Congressional oversight to protect our Constitutional freedoms and when you consider what this guy is saying it should at least make you start asking questions..

http://www.archive.org/details/TCH_Scot ... g_06.05.06

Come to think of it a lack of Congressional oversight seems to be a running theme in Washington these days, whether by incompetence or plausible deniability.

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This was posted in another thread but I thought it bares consideration here.

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Say, isn't Kal Penn bisexual? I've often wondered if the President isn't one as well. That would explain some of his more effeminate mannerisms.


BI GEORGE! I THINK YOU'RE ON TO SOMETHING HERE! :shock: :shock: :wink: :smt005 :smt005 :smt006

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Obama.html

Although identified only as Frank in Mr Obama’s memoir Dreams from My Father, it has now been established that he was Frank Marshall Davis, a radical activist and journalist who had been suspected of being a member of the Communist Party in the 1950s.

Obama's true colours: Making of the man who would be US president :shock:


Mr Davis moved to Honolulu from Chicago in 1948 with his second wife Helen Canfield, a white socialite, at the suggestion of his friend the actor Paul Robeson, who advised them that there would be more tolerance of a mixed race couple in Hawaii than on the American mainland.

A bohemian libertine who drank heavily and loved jazz, he became friends with Stanley Dunham, Mr Obama’s maternal grandfather in the 1960s. Mr Davis died in 1987 at the age of 81, five years before Mr Dunham.

“He knew Stan real well,” said Dawna Weatherly-Williams, a close friend of Mr Davis “They’d play Scrabble and drink and crack jokes and crack jokes and argue. Frank always won and he was always very braggadocio about it too. It was all jocular. They didn’t get polluted drunk. And Frank never really did drugs, though he and Stan would smoke pot together.”
While his mother was in Indonesia during part of his teenage years, Mr Obama lived with his white grandparents. Mrs Weatherly-Williams said that the poet was first introduced to the future Democratic presidential candidate in 1970 at the age of 10.

“Stan had been promising to bring Barry by because we all had that in common - Frank’s kids were half-white, Stan’s grandson was half-black and my son was half-black. We all had that in common and we all really enjoyed it. We got a real kick out of reality.”

Maya Soetoro-Ng, Obama's half-sister, told the Associated Press recently that her grandfather had seen Mr Davis was “a point of connection, a bridge if you will, to the larger African-American experience for my brother".

In his memoir, Mr Obama recounts how he visited Mr Davis on several occasions, apparently at junctures when he was grappling with racial issues, to seek his counsel. At one point in 1979 Mr Davis described university as “an advanced degree in compromise” that was designed to keep blacks in their place.

Mr Obama quoted him as saying: “Leaving your race at the door. Leaving your people behind. Understand something, boy. You’re not going to college to get educated. You’re going there to get trained.”

He added that “they’ll tank on your chain and let you know that you may be a well-trained, well-paid n*****, but you’re a n***** just the same.”

It has also been established that Mr Davis, who divorced in 1970, was the author of a hard-core pornographic autobiography published in San Diego in 1968 by Greenleaf Classics under the pseudonym Bob Greene. :shock:
In a surviving portion of an autobiographical manuscript, Mr Davis confirms that he was the author of Sex Rebel: Black after a reader had noticed the “similarities in style and phraseology” between the pornographic work and his poetry.
:shock: “I could not then truthfully deny that this book, which came out in 1968 as a Greenleaf Classic, was mine.” In the introduction to Sex Rebel, Mr Davis (writing as Greene) explains that although he has “changed names and identities…all incidents I have described have been taken from actual experiences”.
:shock: He stated that “under certain circumstances I am bisexual” and that he was “ a voyeur and an exhibitionist” who was “occasionally mildly interested in sado-masochism”, adding: “I have often wished I had two penises to enjoy simultaneously the double – but different – sensations of oral and genital copulation.”
:wink: :wink: The book, which closely tracks Mr Davis’s life in Chicago and Hawaii and the fact that his first wife was black and his second white, describes in lurid detail a series of shockingly sordid sexual encounters, often involving group sex. :shock:

One chapter concerns the seduction by Mr Davis and his first wife of a 13-year-old girl called Anne. Mr Davis wrote that it was the girl who had suggested he had sex with her. “I’m not one to go in for Lolitas. Usually I’d rather not bed a babe under 20.

“But there are exceptions. I didn’t want to disappoint the trusting child. At her still-impressionistic age, a rejection might be traumatic, could even cripple her sexually for life.”

He then described how he and his wife would have sex with the girl. “Anne came up many times the next several weeks, her aunt thinking she was in good hands. Actually she was.
:shock: “She obtained a course in practical sex from experienced and considerate practitioners rather than from ignorant insensitive neophytes….I think we did her a favour, although the pleasure was mutual.”
:shock: On other occasions, Mr Davis would cruise in Hawaii parks looking for couples or female tourists to have sex with. He derived sexual gratification from bondage, simulated rape and being flogged and urinated on. :shock:
He boasted that “the number of white babes interested in at least one meeting with a Negro male has been far more than I can handle” and wished “America were as civilised as, say, Scandinavia”. He concluded: “I regret none of my experiences or unusual appetites; for me they are normal.”
:shock: According to Mrs Weatherly-Williams, Mr Davis lost touch with Mr Dunham some time in the 1980s. John Edgar Tidwell, who wrote the introduction to Davis's memoir and edited a collection of his work, said that there was no mention of Mr Dunham or Mr Obama in any of Mr Davis’s papers. :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :smt006


This raises quite a number of issues. As I said even back when Obama was still trailing in the primaries we just don't know enough about him to elect him President. That has proven true! Even if you support his administration I really don't think you would have been quite as quick to give him your support had we known more about his background. That plus his obvious lack of big league experience tends to cause me very serious concerns about how people get elected to high office.

When you elect someone just because they are a slick talker and look good on camera (which anymore we seem to be doing) you eliminate people who could have been way, way better at governing.

I also question where we got the notion that there should be basically 1 man (or woman) charged with running the country, if not to a point the entire world. Arguably it isn't even Constitutional. But now as we move ever closer towards being a society of undisputed socialism, although ever since Woodrow Wilson they have been calling it being "progressive," we really need to consider the ramifications and consequences.

Progressive socialism is not Constitutional IMO. And the irony here is that the lefty wingnuts want to brand the people who want to return to the original intent of the Constitution as crazy people not to be taken seriously. But you see all they really want is to opt out of progressive socialism and big brother central government even if it means reestablishing the sovereign Republic of Texas to get back to a free capitalism society, or at least closer to it.

And tell me why can't they have it? Over 100 years ago the country of Liberia was created by African American US citizens to live under their own rule and we still maintain generally friendly ties there. Is this country so dependent upon the state of Texas that we cannot allow the self-sovereignty of Texas? Is the problem that the real estate of Texas is indispensable or that the government doesn't want the people go?

Now this is where it gets interesting with respect to the Antichrist and the coming one world ruler and America. Until now despite whatever you believe by faith who could have seriously thought that the United States could be taken over by a foreign world ruler? Despite how we have gotten here between the last 90 days of the Bush Administration and the first 90 days of the Obama administration the nation's money has been seriously under attack from within. Not to delve too much into this area now suffice to say that by the time the budget passes we will very likely be up to $9 trillion in committed debt. This certainly does not bode well for our prospects of future success. Worse yet is that there is seemingly no end in sight for the practices of spending and taxing, so the financial collapse of the US dollar, which has been the backbone of free capitalism in the modern western world, would seem to be extremely likely and puts our efforts of survival as an independent country in serious jeopardy. Need I remind of our Treasury Secretary seriously considering the prospect of a new reserve currency?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_currency

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China may already be planning on this. This is rather interesting. :smt006


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comm ... ystem.html

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You got to wonder.... :shock: :smt006

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejTmistH ... r_embedded

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China may already be planning on this. This is rather interesting. :smt006


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comm ... ystem.html


The problem with copper is both that it is an industrial metal and if it gets too highly valued there goes the cost effective production of goods and that you would take up a lot of space for your on hand reserves. One reason gold has long been a standard of wealth is because until somebody figures out how to create it we are still recycling much of the world wide gold supply.

I tend to think the one world currency will consist merely on faith in credit alone. Almost what the US dollar has become anymore. The difference is it would have a set valuation by the world community instead of just one or a few nations. I don't think it will actually be backed up by anything much at all. Today the Canadian dollar has natural assets to make good on it's currency. The Chinese meanwhile are stuck holding our paper money for all their hard work in exporting to us. Convincing both of them that a world dollar without real asset backing will be a pretty slick maneuver, to say the least.

But it's just my general opinion that the one world currency will be nothing more than a computer balance tracking system. I mean ain't it just like the devil to make you wanna chace something that's worthless? :)

We use various forms of virtual money on the internet even today. Heck even Liberty Dollars, though purportedly backed by precious metals, has a virtual credit system valuation should you care to use it, at least as I understand it. I probably didn't use the precise language but you get my drift. So maybe it will be possible to assign natural resources from the various countries to lend credibility to the new currency. That will probably need to happen in the transition phase anyway in some manor to facilitate the conversion process of the various currencies.

Yep. This is very interesting indeed no matter which way they decide to sell this scam. And Obama strikes me as just the smooth talker to be a #1 salesman for this pitch. Only time will tell.

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I was just briefly reading on the other bored about how the anti christ is believed by some to be a European leader. Strange as this may sound, maybe it's the Euro or perhaps the "one" who is behind the inception of it. There is talk by some who believe it will become the world currency. :shock: :smt006

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Newsweek Editor: Obama’s Sort of God
“In a way,” says Newsweek editor Evan Thomas, “Obama is standing above the country. Above … above the world …

“He’s sort of God.”

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The term "antichrist" has a literal meaning of the one who stands in the place of Christ, ie, His throne, and all the things that accompany it. Obama does not have to declare himself as such, as the lost have already done so.

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Did you happen to catch any of Libya's Moammar Gadhafi speaking at the UN yesterday?

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/offbea ... oments.cnn

Reminded me of that guy in the Bible who was full of devils and Christ asked what his name was and he said "Legion for we are many." JMO but I rather think he also used to babble on about nothing.

As a side note, amidst his rantings he claimed the UN needs to move out of the US so it's closer to the rest of the world. Seems like it's worth a mention.

But 2 things about yesterday's events caught my attention like a clarion bell ring. Here is Gadhafi with nothing but praise for President Obama and demanding he be made President for life and embracing his father's Muslim heritage to claim he is one of them. But then comes President Obama later with the most anti-Israeli speech any modern day US President has ever dared to present.

First he claims the Israelis and Palestinians should come to the bargaining table with no preconditions, but then Obama proceeds to impose his own preconditions of how those talks must end. :roll:

I could say more, and likely will later, but just looking at the map of what Obama wants to see happen it seems pretty obvious that he does not really want Israel to survive and is committed to dividing what's left of Israel into 2 separate parts all for the price of the word peace. You may read into that statement that I am making a comparison to something mentioned in the Bible. You would be correct.

I have been trying to find reasons to eliminate the possibility of President Obama becoming the Antichrist after a stunning failed assassination attempt but the evidence in favor of that possibility seems to keep increasing more every day.

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I was just briefly reading on the other bored about how the anti christ is believed by some to be a European leader. Strange as this may sound, maybe it's the Euro or perhaps the "one" who is behind the inception of it. There is talk by some who believe it will become the world currency. :shock: :smt006


I think this point has been addressed earlier in the thread. I know that some preachers have come to a belief of a revival of the Holy Roman Empire. However what they fail to consider many times is that Rome was made of 2 parts but they concentrate only on the European side.

That said, keep in mind a few things like the fact that Obama is actually half African, half German and not truly African American at all. Also, the US is a former UK colony. It just now dawns on me how that when you think of the UK you generally think of the 3 countries of England, Scotland, and Ireland and how to some extent these 3 countries began to populate the American colonies initially. 1 little horn out of 3 bigger horns, as it were. Just a thought.

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Well it's been quite a while since I added any comments to this thread and today it actually seems MORE likely, not less likely that Obama could be the Antichrist. I could cite the Obama's course direction to nationalize everything, spend us into poverty, and impose a national identification card containing your entire life history as a few reasons why it is more likely.

Oddly, I find that to date of those who most reject this notion, if not all, reject the premise merely because they don't believe there is such a thing as an Antichrist if they even believe in a knowable god at all.

Well we see that like about every other President since at least 1967 President Obama also is of the opinion that he can bring peace to the Middle East. Guess what, I think he sorta will!

Before you freak out let me qualify. Without getting into much details some preachers are of an opinion that the Scriptures seem to hint at the possibility of the Palestinian problem being solved by (to paraphrase) a fast, smooth talker moving them to the north to an area that will be smack dab in the middle of where the war of Armageddon will be fought. Well my first thought was if Obama were to do this it would have to be no more than 7 years from now but after thinking further on it perhaps not. If the Presidential election were held today it is doubtful he would be re-elected. That might also be true were the election this November. So what if he were not re-elected or chose not to run for re-election? Could he instead join the UN? Could he be US Secretary of State? Could he be elected in non-consecutive terms? Indeed a number of possibilities come to mind. But I think everyone can agree that the next 2 1/2 - 3 years should prove VERY "interesting," to say the least.

And what if the rapture of the church were to happen during this period? Even Bush haters will concede 9/11 helped him get re-elected. Under a scenario where millions of people vanished I would expect whoever is President to almost be an automatic lock for a 2nd term. Although if that happens and someone is reading this after the fact you have great cause for concern! ;)

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