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 Post subject: Re: Section 8 Savages
PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:22 am 
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Welfare problems exist


According to Integrated Community Services (ICS), manager of the Housing Choice Voucher program, "less than 1 percent of the 2,901 vouchers on Housing have at least one illegal immigrant in the household."

Some people say "no problem." Let's put this in perspective. All individuals living in a voucher house are screened via a Social Security number or government identification (for example, Green Card); the ones who do not produce this are illegal.

How do you do a background check on someone who has no identification? You cannot. You must then presume the worst. What do they have to hide? Are they a criminal? You would not let an employee from the Water Utility into your home without proper ID; why then does ICS let an undocumented person live next door to you and your children?

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US Federal Government Runs Out Of Money For Section 8 Housing


The Federal program designed to help low income families pay for their rent has run out money and now, some families have been evicted because they can no longer afford the rent.


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 Post subject: Re: Section 8 Savages
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Geromino....section 8 is everywhere...what made my daughter so very mad was living a block off of Navy Pier, working a job, going to college, working an internship, and sharing a studio to survive and live the lifestyle she wanted.

She found out certain floors were section 8! Yes, with the fancy (I miss their faces!) doormen, and the outdoor pool; hall for parties, work-out room, we have section 8 in Chicago's most elaborate neighborhood, taking up space on section 8. How that came to be, I do not know.

She has her dignity,..and she reached her goals....glowing in California, basking in a top notch public relations firm, and living her dreams....while those suckers are stuck.


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 Post subject: Re: Section 8 Savages
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Residents of South Bend, Ind., stand in line to add their names to a Section 8
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Small-City Crime: Is Section 8 to Blame?
July 03, 2008 9:03 AM


Some critics of the controversial federal housing assistance program cite it as a direct cause of high crime rates in small cities, but the data’s not so clear-cut.



In Atlantic magazine’s article, Phyllis Betts and her husband Richard Janikowski presented their finding that Section 8 housing policies were responsible for the growth of crime in Tennesseee. Robert Lipscomb, the head of the Memphis Housing Authority, showed his frustration with their report: “You’ve already marginalized people and told them they have to move out, now you’re saying they moved somewhere else and created all these problems? That’s a really, really unfair assessment … that’s quote-unquote, criminal.”

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If police departments are usually stingy with their information, housing departments are even more so. Getting addresses of Section 8 holders is difficult, because the departments want to protect the residents’ privacy. Betts, however, helps the city track where the former residents of public housing have moved. Over time, she and Janikowski realized that they were doing their fieldwork in the same neighborhoods.

About six months ago, they decided to put a hunch to the test. Janikowski merged his computer map of crime patterns with Betts’s map of Section8 rentals. Where Janikowski saw a bunny rabbit, Betts saw a sideways horseshoe (“He has a better imagination,” she said). Otherwise, the match was near-perfect. On the merged map, dense violent-crime areas are shaded dark blue, and Section8 addresses are represented by little red dots. All of the dark-blue areas are covered in little red dots, like bursts of gunfire. The rest of the city has almost no dots.

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More than 50 people from the Lone Tree Glen and Green Hills Circle areas attended the meeting, which began with a listing of what neighbors are enduring from unruly tenants of at least three houses, tenants from two of which receive Section 8 subsidies. The problems include blatant alcohol and drug use, drug dealing, unauthorized tenants (one neighbor reported seeing 10 mattresses set up in one of the house’s garage), loud parties and vandalism.

Groups of as many as 30 youths block driveways, loiter and threaten anyone who confronts them. Behavior at one house has resulted in more than 130 calls to police, the neighbors said, while tenants in another have racked up more than 30 police visits in their first 90 days of occupancy.

“I sense (Glover) still thought a lot of this hullabaloo was perhaps coming from fringe (elements) and he had not fully seen that this is legitimate, middle-class outrage,” said Walter Ruehlig, a resident of the area who hosted the meeting in his home. “All we want to do is live and let live in peace and safety. Is that too much to ask of our neighbors, the housing authority and the county? None of us moved here to live in the Wild West.”

Suggestions for dealing with the problems included:

• Stop the checks. Change Section 8 rules so that landlords whose tenants generate complaints to the police would be required to resolve those complaints before future rent subsidy checks were issued. Similar ideas included fining landlords for excessive police calls to their property, like the way the fines are now levied for repeated false alarms from security systems.

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 Post subject: Re: Section 8 Savages
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Section 8 housing lines


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 Post subject: Re: Section 8 Savages
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Hi Geronimo,
When the government sets it's mind and powers on something it is really tough to change. I am sure they are very aware of the problems section 8 causes and the problem will get much worse and will not get better.
The government sees poverty through it's eyes according to laws they have passed. They see poverty very vaguely and they really don't understand it, they just throw money at it in hopes it will go away.
The government always does a very bad job at enforcement because of the civil rights of the poor. The government doesn't want to appear to be picking on the poor.
The government and most people meant well when these types of programs were introduced but like all government programs: Medi-care, Medi-aid, Food stamps, whatever, there will always be someone that is going to try to slick the system.
I also have noticed that when the government cracks down on a program it's the authenic poor that gets hurt the most because the slicksters know how to get around things and usually have inside connections.
Thus is the fate of government programs. What is really needed is good, salaried employment for everyone that wants to work and gradually the programs will cease by themselves. This is very difficult, I might add because of all the bills introduced by our government leaders that are out-sourcing American jobs, in-sourcing foreign labor to take American jobs, illegal immigration and the out-sourcing of American companies over seas.
I just don't think the problem will go away; too complicated. Once the government puts it's hand to a problem they just throw money at it and hope that will be good enough. Employment has to be plentiful, excellent salaried, with good benefits.
What benefit is a good education if the government is going continue to loose jobs for Americans as I have indicated. All jobs are being out-sourced, labor insourced, whatever. Most people who don't believe this is true is because it hasn't come to their doorstep yet.


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 Post subject: Re: Section 8 Savages
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Hi Geronimo,
When the government sets it's mind and powers on something it is really tough to change. I am sure they are very aware of the problems section 8 causes and the problem will get much worse and will not get better.
The government sees poverty through it's eyes according to laws they have passed. They see poverty very vaguely and they really don't understand it, they just throw money at it in hopes it will go away.
The government always does a very bad job at enforcement because of the civil rights of the poor. The government doesn't want to appear to be picking on the poor.
The government and most people meant well when these types of programs were introduced but like all government programs: Medicare, Medi-aid, Food stamps, whatever, there will always be someone that is going to try to slick the system.
I also have noticed that when the government cracks down on a program it's the authentic poor that gets hurt the most because the slicksters know how to get around things and usually have inside connections.
Thus is the fate of government programs. What is really needed is good, salaried employment for everyone that wants to work and gradually the programs will cease by themselves. This is very difficult, I might add because of all the bills introduced by our government leaders that are out-sourcing American jobs, in-sourcing foreign labor to take American jobs, illegal immigration and the out-sourcing of American companies over seas.
I just don't think the problem will go away; too complicated. Once the government puts it's hand to a problem they just throw money at it and hope that will be good enough. Employment has to be plentiful, excellent salaried, with good benefits.
What benefit is a good education if the government is going continue to loose jobs for Americans as I have indicated. All jobs are being out-sourced, labor insourced, whatever. Most people who don't believe this is true is because it hasn't come to their doorstep yet.



Thank you for your response.

You know and I believe in what you have stated if only we can get government to see it from the working class point of view!

The government has upset the apple cart !

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Geromino....section 8 is everywhere...what made my daughter so very mad was living a block off of Navy Pier, working a job, going to college, working an internship, and sharing a studio to survive and live the lifestyle she wanted.

She found out certain floors were section 8! Yes, with the fancy (I miss their faces!) doormen, and the outdoor pool; hall for parties, work-out room, we have section 8 in Chicago's most elaborate neighborhood, taking up space on section 8. How that came to be, I do not know.

She has her dignity,..and she reached her goals....glowing in California, basking in a top notch public relations firm, and living her dreams....while those suckers are stuck.



The government should make them become self sufficient the program needs tweaking and they need to get rid of the tweakers and geekers on drugs and selling them in section 8 housing.

Its so unfair that they can tell a person working for the railroad that he can be drug tested but not the ones living off my hard labor that caused me to destroy my spinal column.

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"The waiting list on low income housing is a year, two years and section 8 is three years. There's nowhere for these people to go. We're going to court to get an injunction to stop this," says Murcko.

"There's no place to go because there are no openings for low income housing or nothing like that," says Mickey Martin.

An attorney for the tenants says effective July 1st, they are paying their


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As Duane Anderson says in your article Geronimo he is collateral damage; the working poor. The social safety net is wearing out and is worn out in many cases.
As you say; if only the government could view the housing problem from the working class point of view. They have lost touch with all classes of people. They don't live as we do or if they ever did, it was decades ago.
All their solutions are outdated and proto-typed by laws that should have been updated decades ago. They are not paying attention to what kind of legislation they're passing. When they don't pay attention to the pulse of the nation people suffer.
I think all legislation they are passing current is out of touch with reality. Whether it's illegal immigration, identifing citizens from illegals or the economy. Hey! What ever happened to the employment office. Everyone should have a good paying job that wants to work at any educational level. Whatever happened to fair wages for everyone? All companies in the 60's paid fair wages and benefits practically for every job. Our country's going backwards to depression era wages. In the 60's if you lost your job for any reason all you had to do was cross the street to get another good job.
This country should have all kinds of work. They deported all the manufacturing jobs to foreign lands instead of deporting illegal aliens. Lazy Boy and Whirl Pool are some of the latest to leave.
Well soon we will all be the working poor as it is sure we are headed for a depression. We will all be warming our hands by the same garbage can fire. Yes! Even the educated and those on disability. We'll be in the same boat. WE NEED A LEGISLATURE THAT FEELS THE PULSE OF OUR NATION AND THE INTELLIGENCE AND ABILITY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.


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Many landlords take poor care of Section 8-subsidized homes


Unkempt rental houses are a problem throughout the city, not just in the Alberta community, Tyner said. He wants the city to enact stricter laws, and enforce existing ones, which he believes would clean up the problem. He points to irresponsible landlords who fail to keep up their property. It's particularly pronounced among those who accept federal Section 8 housing subsidies, he said.

'I don't understand it,' Tyner said. 'It's easy money. They don't have to go knocking on doors to

collect rent. They should at least follow up and maintain their property like they would their own home.'

Next door to the house in dispute, Evans Lloyd walks out of his backyard. Lloyd's house is a sharp contrast to the house next to it, with a neatly clipped yard, well-trimmed shrubbery and daylilies blooming in the backyard.

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Section 8 loophole thwarts evacuees
Other cities want to keep housing voucher



Sunday, July 06, 2008By Katy Reckdahl

Two weeks ago in Houston, two Katrina evacuees hauled the final boxes out of their apartments. But even as their landlords prepared to change their locks, Gina Martin and Samantha Egana couldn't go home to New Orleans, because their Section 8 vouchers were stalled by the Houston Housing Authority.

Despite months of trying, neither could transfer the federal rental assistance back to their hometown.

In theory, Section 8 vouchers are "portable" -- transferable to anywhere in the United States. But many evacuees have had transfers denied or delayed because of a HUD loophole allowing local agencies to reject moves to "higher-rent" areas like New Orleans.


Though all vouchers nationwide are financed by the federal government, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development has set up an elaborate reimbursement system requiring local housing authorities to bill each other when recipients want to move.

HUD rules allow the receiving agency -- in this case, the Housing Authority of New Orleans -- to refuse to pay the rental subsidy for people moving in. That leaves the sending agency -- in this case, the Houston Housing Authority -- on the hook to pay for housing people in other cities.

This has caused a standoff between HANO and housing authorities in other cities, particularly in Texas, which took in many Katrina evacuees. The Housing Authority of New Orleans can't afford to pay for any incoming vouchers, said HUD spokeswoman Donna White. So many out-of-town housing agencies -- facing the prospect of paying rent for all transferring vouchers -- have invoked the "higher rent" exception to refuse New Orleans transfers, including Martin's and Egana's.

Congressional budgets have always allocated a specific number of Section 8 vouchers for each community. To routinely shift each voucher's federal money along with each moving Section 8 family would throw a wrench into that system, meant to address each community's needs, White said.

More than 40,000 Section 8 tenants transfer vouchers nationwide each year, White said. But the agency doesn't track how many of those transfers were to "higher-rent" areas, nor whether the sending or receiving agencies pick up the tab.

Laura Tuggle, head of housing law for New Orleans Legal Assistance, called the idea of portable vouchers "a myth."

"This is a huge national issue -- it's not just us," Tuggle said. She has long battled the issue in smaller numbers, but because so many Katrina evacuees are ready to return, her caseload now consistently includes transfer refusals, she said.

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The right mix
City struggles to fit poverty into plans for development
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Owner raising the bar, rent of crime ridden apartments


TUSCALOOSA | Eastern Square Apartments were a cancer on the Alberta community.

'It was the worst property in town,' said Michael Whitworth of Whitworth Real Estate, Eastern Square's new owner. 'It was foreclosed on. It had 1,000 police responses during 2007.'

Craig Haughton, a Whitworth property manager, wheels into the parking lot between two Eastern Square buildings. At the top of a large retaining wall is a chain-link fence topped with razor wire. Behind the fence is an auto parts store.

'Auto Zone put that there to keep people out,' he said of the razor wire. He points to the northernmost buildings in the complex. 'Those had been burned.'

With dilapidated buildings and tenants whom merchants used razor wire to keep out, it's not hard to see how the apartment complex earned its infamous reputation

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