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 Post subject: Re: Section 8 Savages
PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:17 am 
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Geronimo - All of your references appear to be pointing at the Chicago Housing Authority. Have you looked at what is happening with the housing authority in your own hometown? I think that you would not be surprised to learn that it is going the same direction. Only time will tell whether it is for the better or not.



Your right about that they just had another section 8 lottery I heard mention of some 8,000 vouchers.

There is a shortage of rental units and some are attempting to cause people to flee their units using fear and intimidation and noise.

Some buildings in some complexes are all family & friends and in order for that to happen there are a lot of civil rights violations going on.

The average working class renter will flee his tenancy before wrestling with the savages for turf.

They (some)come in klan's with premeditation to methodically uproot and start rebuilding their criminal bases of operation in contrast of the governments plan.

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 Post subject: Re: Section 8 Savages
PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:09 pm 
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Some of them have severe problems knowing what is appropriate and inappropriate we had one standing outside my bedroom window around 10pm at night talking to the young female upstairs I said something to him about it and he ignored me.

I sat in my car with my cell phone observing him when 2 squad cars sped into the parking lot he ran away but they were not called out about him it was another section 8 family in another building disturbing the peace.

Before they came the police were rarely called or patroled the complex.

I guess we are our brothers keeper.

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 Post subject: Re: Section 8 Savages
PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:36 pm 
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The strife is only perceived by those whom peer from afar in the gallery with peanuts in hand



Maybe your administrator should take a look at this and he/she will understand why it is so difficult to attract intelligent conversation most of the time. It is the company kept. I believe that I will find another site to get into discussions. I have tested the waters here, and it is like any other public forum, the whiny, poor-me babies have taken over, and your average logical person gets bored with it quickly.

Goodbye, good riddance. I can get this sh** anywhere!

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 Post subject: Re: Section 8 Savages
PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:19 pm 
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Gee thanks bye bye does the big baby need some din din and good riddance take your ball head and go!

You don't have to insult my intelligence any more.

Communist dictator I bet you rule your home with a iron fist and I bet the lights are out at 10pm.

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 Post subject: Re: Section 8 Savages
PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:59 pm 
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The Scandal of Housing Vouchers
by James Bovard


In October, former HUD Secretary Henry Cisneros spent $716 million to demolish decrepit housing projects. Before you cheer, consider this. The units won't be replaced with a market system. More money will be spent on yet another socialistic program, this time to pay welfare recipients to move into private housing in suburbia and elsewhere.

The residents ticket to "freedom" is Section 8, a housing welfare program under which recipients pay 30% of their income (which can be zero) towards an apartment or house. The federal government kindly picks up the rest. The Section 8 program reviled by everyone but the special interests who greatly benefit from it symbolizes the irresponsibility and anti-taxpayer bias of government social policy.

The new Cisneros program is the successor of the short-lived Moving to Opportunity program. Jack Kemp started that in an attempt to shift people on welfare from inner cities into affluent suburban neighborhoods. The theory accepted by most apologists for government urban planning was that poverty and crime result from surroundings, not behavior. This can be corrected by relocation to middle-class areas.

As Cisneros explains, public housing is a failure because it "concentrates the very poor." HUD therefore wants to send these people into middle-class neighborhoods. In 1994, however, the program became a political liability. It had set off alarm bells in several American cities, including Baltimore. After hearing constituent complaints, Senator Barbara Mikulski, a left-wing Maryland Democrat, spiked the funding.

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 Post subject: Re: Section 8 Savages
PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:52 pm 
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So, you flood this site with harsh words, and you want to peg me as contentious. Well, I contend that you have shown your own true colors.

The Wise One has said, 'Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup."

'But, I humbly beseech Thee,' I say, 'for I have constructed a shield made from the scales of the beast. This will protect me, as the beast himself is protected.'

The Wise One replied, 'Nay, My child. I will take care of that beast.'

You can say what you will, but there is One to Whom you will answer for the strife you cause.



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 Post subject: Re: Section 8 Savages
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:57 pm 
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The assisted housing programs have become overly complex and burdensome to administer thus making it more difficult to serve families that need help.

Unintended consequences have led to programs that disincentivize work and independence.
Rising costs experienced by the Housing Choice Voucher program have led to the need to reexamine programs to ensure dollars allocated are spent in the most effective way.

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About 20 income exclusions and 18 mandated exclusions/deductions go into calculating rent and income.

One study indicated that it would consume more than 6 hours of PHA staff time to correctly conduct the required tenant interview and income calculation process.
While many families stay less than five years in assisted housing, even more stay 5 years and more. It is likely that those families that do stay at least five years will end up staying up to 10 years.

In 1998, the Housing Choice Voucher program consumed 36 percent of the HUD budget. Today, it absorbs nearly 60 percent.
What is Provided?

SLHFA provides local Housing Authorities the ability to fashion housing programs that best meet the needs of their local populations.

However, PHAs can retain much of what they are doing now if they so choose.
SLHFA would change the one-size-fits-all approach to assistance. SLHFA would offer PHAs the freedom to set reasonable subsidy standards based on local market conditions, and therefore serve as many families as possible within their grant amount.

SLHFA provides an incentive program (MTW) that would provide even greater flexibility.
Key Facts:


Despite record high vacancy rates and soft rental markets in pockets across the country, the average per unit rental payment has increased by 37 percent over the past five years. Yet, according to the Consumer Price Index, the average nationwide rent increase was only 13 percent.

PHAs can continue to serve the same percentage of extremely low income families that they are currently serving; they can continue to use the existing rent structures; they can continue to provide local preferences for homeless and other groups.


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 Post subject: Re: Section 8 Savages
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:59 pm 
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Income Limits

http://www.huduser.org/Datasets/IL/IL08/in_fy2008.pdf

Me and my wife can make up to $39,500 and still qualify for section 8 :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Section 8 Savages
PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:49 pm 
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HUD FINALLY ISSUED OCCUPANCY POLICY



In December, 1998, HUD released a statement of policy of the factors it will use when evaluating a housing provider's occupancy policies to determine whether discriminatory conduct is occurring against families with children. This is a policy ....not a rule or law.

HUD has recommended a guideline of two persons per bedroom as a safe policy for providers. For policies which are more restrictive, HUD will take into account such factors as the size of the bedrooms and dwelling unit, capacity of sewer, septic and other building systems, and any city or state occupancy requirements governing the property to determine if discrimination against families with children is occurring.

If a rented property is governed by state or local government occupancy requirements, and the landlord's occupancy policies reflect those requirements, HUD would consider the governmental requirements as a special circumstance tending to indicate that the landlord's occupancy policies are reasonable. Many municipalities have adopted the BOCA Code provisions based on the minimum gross floor area so the circle appears complete.

An occupancy policy which limits the number of people per unit is more likely to be considered reasonable than one which limits the number of children.

In addition, any discriminatory statements or rules against children or families, as well as other steps to discourage families with children from living in the housing will be reviewed.

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How to Abide by the Federal Occupancy Standard


By law, you can restrict the number of occupants that dwell on your property by using “reasonable” terms to do so. The Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) is allowed to interpret that term and has decided that two people per bedroom is a good starting point. However, there are many factors that can alter number. Keep in mind these variations when setting the occupancy standard on your property.

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Current law and practice

For many years, owners of public, assisted and conventional housing have relied on a two person per bedroom occupancy standard when adopting habitability policies for their units. HUD's own handbooks for its public and assisted housing programs have recognized that a two persons per bedroom occupancy standard is generally reasonable. This standard has became widely accepted by conventional providers as well.

The enactment of the federal Fair Housing Amendments Act of 1988 (the "Act"), which established a new "protected class" for families with children, raised the issue of occupancy standards. The preamble and commentary to HUD's rules and regulations implementing the Act made a number of germane comments regarding occupancy standards:

"Section 100.10 (a)(3) states that nothing in this regulation limits the applicability of any reasonable local, State or Federal restrictions on the maximum number of occupants permitted to occupy a dwelling unit."




"...(T)here is no support in the statute or its legislative history which indicates any intent on the part of Congress to provide for the development of a national occupancy code. This interpretation is consistent with Congressional reliance on and encouragement for States and localities to become active participants in the effort to promote achievement of the goal of Fair Housing."

"...(T)here is no basis to conclude that Congress intended that an owner or manager of dwelling would be unable in any way to restrict the number of occupants who could reside in a dwelling. Thus, the Department believes that in appropriate circumstances , owners and managers may develop and implement reasonable occupancy requirements based on factors such as the number and size of sleeping areas or bedrooms and the overall size of the dwelling unit. In this regard, it must be noted that, in connection with a complaint alleging discrimination on the basis of familial status, the Department will carefully examine any such nongovernmental restriction to determine whether it operates unreasonably to limit or exclude families with children."


The explicit congressional intent to allow reasonable limits on habitation is further documented in the House Committee report on Act (the "House Report," H.R. Rep. No 711, 100th Congress 2d Session (1988)) which reads as follows:

"The provisions are not intended to limit the applicability of any reasonable local, State, or Federal restrictions on the maximum number of occupants permitted to occupy a dwelling unit. A number of jurisdictions limit the number of occupants per unit based on a minimum number of square feet in the unit or the sleeping areas of the unit. Reasonable limitations by governments would be allowed to continue, as long as they were applied to all occupants, and did not operate to discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, handicap or familial status."


The Keating memorandum
After the passage of the Act and its implementing regulations, a number of owners received complaints from tenant advocates who claimed that their occupancy standards may result in discrimination against some or all family groups protected under the Act. In 1991, Frank Keating, former General Counsel of HUD, decided to address these claims by the issuing a memorandum (the "Keating memorandum") which reaffirmed that the "Department believes that an occupancy policy of two persons in a bedroom standard, as a general rule, is reasonable under the Fair Housing Act."


The Keating memorandum noted that "the Department of Justice had advised us that this is the general policy it has incorporated in consent decrees and proposed orders." The memorandum stated that the reasonableness of any occupancy policy is rebuttable and that in reviewing these cases HUD will consider the size and number of bedrooms and other special circumstances, including age of children, configuration of unit, other physical limitations of housing, and state and local law.

Since 1991, tenant advocates have challenged the Keating memorandum claiming that its two persons per bedroom standard has disproportionately excluded families with children and, even prior to the new interim guidance issued by former General Counsel Nelson Diaz, the administration of HUD Secretary Henry Cisneros had advocated, in numerous fair housing cases, occupancy standards far exceeding the presumptively reasonable standard outlined in the Keating memorandum.

The Diaz memorandum
HUD's new interim guidance (the "Diaz memorandum') was intended to take effect immediately on July 12, 1995. The memorandum, which specifically rescinded all previous occupancy standards guidance including the Keating memorandum, was based on square footage, as opposed to persons per bedroom and referred to a model code published by the Building Officials and Code Administrators, Inc. ("BOCA code"). The BOCA code is designed to mandate fire exit and other life safety issues.

The Diaz memorandum provided that "If a housing provider ... has established maximum occupancy standards which are as broad as those provided in the current version of model code published by Building Officials and Code Administrators, a challenge to that occupancy standard as constituting discrimination on the basis of familial status will not be pursued by the Department....Compliance with this standard will provide a 'safe harbor' for housing providers."

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 Post subject: Re: Section 8 Savages
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It's no different than it was," Taylor said. Cocaine has always had a high intensity in Porter County, and that is related to being so close to Chicago and the high density drug areas surrounding it.

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Project-Based Section 8 Developments




A project-based section 8 development provides rental assistance to make affordable rental units low-income people. When you get help through a project-based section 8, you have to live in that particular housing development. When you leave that development, the section 8 assistance remains with the development. The assistance cannot be transferred to another property.


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