Just this morning I posted the quotes on Dr Emanuel that spells out where the rationing will occur.

As opposed to the lie being perpetuated by the Democrats that there will not be any rationing.

That choice is NOT in the hands of individuals. It is in the hands of their employers almost exclusively.

You're seriously trying to tell me that what Emanuel said back in 1996 is going to be in a bill thats going to be passed in congress this year?..give me a fricken break.
Emanuel is not in congress, so I really don't give a crap what he said in 1996.

Right, as opposed to the lie being perpetuated by the republicans that everything is just fine, so let's just take our time & not do a damn thing.



Yes, that's right.
So why are all the ignorant cons at those meetings & the clowns on Fake News yelling, crying, moaning & groaning that right now they have a choice & if a bill is passed they won't?

Oh that's right they're ignorant.

As he wrote in the Feb. 27, 2008, issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA): "Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality of care are merely 'lipstick' cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change."

"You can't avoid these questions," Dr. Emanuel said in an Aug. 16 Washington Post interview. "We had a big controversy in the United States when there was a limited number of dialysis machines. In Seattle, they appointed what they called a 'God committee' to choose who should get it, and that committee was eventually abandoned. Society ended up paying the whole bill for dialysis instead of having people make those decisions."

True reform, he argues, must include redefining doctors' ethical obligations. In the June 18, 2008, issue of JAMA, Dr. Emanuel blames the Hippocratic Oath for the "overuse" of medical care: "Medical school education and post graduate education emphasize thoroughness," he writes. "This culture is further reinforced by a unique understanding of professional obligations, specifically the Hippocratic Oath's admonition to 'use my power to help the sick to the best of my ability and judgment' as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of cost or effect on others."

has already been appointed to two key positions: health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of the Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research. He clearly will play a role guiding the White House's health initiative.

You're seriously trying to tell me that what Emanuel said back in 1996 is going to be in a bill thats going to be passed in congress this year?..give me a fricken break.
Emanuel is not in congress, so I really don't give a crap what he said in 1996.

His quotes ranged from 1996 ... to August 16th of this year

So?
WTF, difference does it make to you what WTF it's called?

The key word here is that it's an option.

You know what option means?...that means you or your employer will have a CHOICE between the 'government' option or a billion dollar for profit insurance corporation that keeps raising premiums because they pay their executives millions of dollars for rationing health care.....to you.

Sorry but I have Blue Cross and my premiums are never raised. We get it through the union.

Yeah, my premiums never went up for 38 years.
That's because they went up for who I was working for.
You are really ignorant if you don't know that, that is the same for you.

Yeah, my premiums never went up for 38 years.

You're in a union & a conservative?

Yeah, my premiums never went up for 38 years.
That's because they went up for who I was working for.
You are really ignorant if you don't know that, that is the same for you.


You're in a union & a conservative??!! who is stupid enough to vote AGAINST YOUR OWN INTERESTS?...WOW.

You vote for anti labor, anti union republicans?...yeah that's brilliant.

The key word here is that it's an option.

You know what option means?...that means you or your employer will have a CHOICE between the 'government' option or a billion dollar for profit insurance corporation that keeps raising premiums because they pay their executives millions of dollars for rationing health care.....to you.

Some liberals were honest, or used to be honest, about where all this would lead. Barney Frank noted the main reason Democrats were not backing a total government takeover: "We don't have the votes for it. I wish we did. I think if we had a good public option it would lead to single payer." Then there's Mr. Obama's now famous 2003 remarks: "I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health-care program. . . . But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately."

matt wrote:

Oh you mean we will no longer have insurance company CEO's & executives making 10 million per year because they deny insurance to people with pre existing conditions?...oh yeah that will be a shame.

guess what matt, if there not any private for profit insurance companies around, I really, really don't give a sh*t.

Good, that's fine with me.

US vs French Medical Care, My Personal Experience
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martin-va ... 44164.html

If it turns out to be better than my current coverage I'll check it out. If not I'll keep what I have.
That's why it's called a public option

What I do know is that my current coverage which is excellent, costs $14,000 per year.

Remember it's an option.

Oh you mean we will no longer have insurance company CEO's & executives making 10 million per year because they deny insurance to people with pre existing conditions?...oh yeah that will be a shame.

guess what matt, if there not any private for profit insurance companies around, I really, really don't give a sh*t.


OLT540: Good, that's fine with me.