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 Post subject: What potash & it's danger
PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:54 am 
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Some articles on Potash and it's risks.

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http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/ ... iquid.html[/url]

http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/hazmat/erg/gn/154.html

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0D10F73B5414728DDDAB0A94DF405B818CF1D3

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 Post subject: What is potash & its danger
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Safety

Solid KMnO4 is a strong oxidizer and thus should be kept separated from oxidizable substances. Reaction with concentrated sulfuric acid produces the highly explosive manganese(VII) oxide (Mn2O7). When solid KMnO4 is mixed with pure glycerol or other simple alcohols it will result in a violent combustion reaction.

3 C3H5(OH)3 + 14 KMnO4 → 14 MnO2 + 14 KOH + 9 CO2 + 5 H2O

Potassium permanganate may leave behind a brownish stain which can be removed by using sodium bisulfite.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_permanganate

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 Post subject: Re: dangers of potash Is this what Tom wants to bring to town?
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http://books.google.com/books?id=3Tbl2W8j-3oC&pg=PA923&lpg=PA923&dq=is+potash+an+oxidizer&source=bl&ots=GPT9eqqTtt&sig=crBhYUSYAxv8YAbvVnAOeZI2MtQ&hl=en&ei=hzqXTf62CrSN0QGmm4X5Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ6AEwADgK

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 Post subject: Re: dangers of potash Is this what Tom wants to bring to town?
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Hazmat protocal

http://books.google.com/books?id=3Tbl2W8j-3oC&pg=PA923&lpg=PA923&dq=is+potash+an+oxidizer&source=bl&ots=GPT9eqqTtt&sig=crBhYUSYAxv8YAbvVnAOeZI2MtQ&hl=en&ei=hzqXTf62CrSN0QGmm4X5Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ6AEwADgK

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 Post subject: Re: What potash & it's danger
PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:39 am 
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Tommy,

I realize you are trying really hard to discredit the potential of economic development and to try and scare the public, but I suggest you do some research before you prove how stupid you are.

Potash Fertilizer is Potassium Carbonate, not potassium permanganate, or potassium chlorate. Those other chemical compounds are able to be formed out of potash, but they are not the chemical variant used in fertilizer. The chemical compound for Potassium Carbonate is K2CO3.

Here is the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) for K2CO3. http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/p5609.htm

It's only severe toxicity is when ingested. Other than that it is considered an irritant when exposed by contact or inhalation.

As I have said before, it passes through the Calumet Region and Hammond daily.

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1. Product Identification

Synonyms: Pearl ash; potash; carbonic acid, dipotassium salt; salt of tartar
CAS No.: 584-08-7
Molecular Weight: 138.21
Chemical Formula: K2CO3
Product Codes:
J.T. Baker: 3011, 3012, 3014, 6056
Mallinckrodt: 0436, 4674, 6790, 6814, 6844

2. Composition/Information on Ingredients

Ingredient CAS No Percent Hazardous
--------------------------------------- ------------ ------------ ---------

Potassium Carbonate 584-08-7 99 - 100% Yes


3. Hazards Identification

Emergency Overview
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WARNING! CAUSES IRRITATION TO SKIN, EYES AND RESPIRATORY TRACT. MAY BE HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED.

SAF-T-DATA(tm) Ratings (Provided here for your convenience)
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Health Rating: 2 - Moderate
Flammability Rating: 0 - None
Reactivity Rating: 1 - Slight
Contact Rating: 3 - Severe
Lab Protective Equip: GOGGLES & SHIELD; LAB COAT & APRON; VENT HOOD; PROPER GLOVES
Storage Color Code: Green (General Storage)
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Potential Health Effects
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Inhalation:
Causes irritation to the respiratory tract. Symptoms may include coughing, shortness of breath.
Ingestion:
Causes irritation to the gastrointestinal tract. Symptoms may include nausea, vomiting and diarrhea. May have moderate toxic effects if consumed in large enough quantities. Ingestion of large amounts may be corrosive to mouth, throat and GI tract and produce abdominal pains, vomiting, diarrhea, and circulatory collapse.
Skin Contact:
Contact with dry material causes irritation. In aqueous solution it is a strong caustic and as such may have corrosive effects on the skin.
Eye Contact:
Causes extreme irritation, redness, pain and possibly corneal damage.
Chronic Exposure:
A chronic dermatitis may follow repeated contact with this substance.
Aggravation of Pre-existing Conditions:
No information found.

4. First Aid Measures

Inhalation:
Remove to fresh air. If not breathing, give artificial respiration. If breathing is difficult, give oxygen. Get medical attention.
Ingestion:
If swallowed, DO NOT INDUCE VOMITING. Give large quantities of water. Never give anything by mouth to an unconscious person. Get medical attention immediately.
Skin Contact:
Immediately flush skin with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes. Remove contaminated clothing and shoes. Get medical attention. Wash clothing before reuse. Thoroughly clean shoes before reuse.
Eye Contact:
Immediately flush eyes with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes, lifting lower and upper eyelids occasionally. Get medical attention immediately.

5. Fire Fighting Measures

Fire:
Not considered to be a fire hazard.
Explosion:
Not considered to be an explosion hazard. An explosion occurred after mixing sodium hydrosulfite, aluminum powder, potassium carbonate and benzaldehyde.
Fire Extinguishing Media:
Use any means suitable for extinguishing surrounding fire.
Special Information:
In the event of a fire, wear full protective clothing and NIOSH-approved self-contained breathing apparatus with full facepiece operated in the pressure demand or other positive pressure mode.

6. Accidental Release Measures

Ventilate area of leak or spill. Wear appropriate personal protective equipment as specified in Section 8. Spills: Pick up and place in a suitable container for reclamation or disposal, using a method that does not generate dust.


7. Handling and Storage

Keep in a tightly closed container, stored in a cool, dry, ventilated area. Protect against physical damage. Isolate from incompatible substances. Containers of this material may be hazardous when empty since they retain product residues (dust, solids); observe all warnings and precautions listed for the product.

8. Exposure Controls/Personal Protection

Airborne Exposure Limits:
None established.
Ventilation System:
A system of local and/or general exhaust is recommended to keep employee exposures as low as possible. Local exhaust ventilation is generally preferred because it can control the emissions of the contaminant at its source, preventing dispersion of it into the general work area. Please refer to the ACGIH document, Industrial Ventilation, A Manual of Recommended Practices, most recent edition, for details.
Personal Respirators (NIOSH Approved):
For conditions of use where exposure to dust or mist is apparent and engineering controls are not feasible, a particulate respirator (NIOSH type N95 or better filters) may be worn. If oil particles (e.g. lubricants, cutting fluids, glycerine, etc.) are present, use a NIOSH type R or P filter. For emergencies or instances where the exposure levels are not known, use a full-face positive-pressure, air-supplied respirator. WARNING: Air-purifying respirators do not protect workers in oxygen-deficient atmospheres.
Skin Protection:
Wear impervious protective clothing, including boots, gloves, lab coat, apron or coveralls, as appropriate, to prevent skin contact.
Eye Protection:
Use chemical safety goggles and/or full face shield where dusting or splashing of solutions is possible. Maintain eye wash fountain and quick-drench facilities in work area.

9. Physical and Chemical Properties

Appearance:
Fine white granules.
Odor:
Odorless.
Solubility:
Soluble in equal parts of cold water.
Specific Gravity:
2.29
pH:
11.6 Aqueous solution
% Volatiles by volume @ 21C (70F):
0
Boiling Point:
Decomposes.
Melting Point:
891C (1636F)
Vapor Density (Air=1):
No information found.
Vapor Pressure (mm Hg):
No information found.
Evaporation Rate (BuAc=1):
No information found.

10. Stability and Reactivity

Stability:
Stable under ordinary conditions of use and storage.
Hazardous Decomposition Products:
Contact with acids and involvement in a fire can cause formation of carbon dioxide. Thermal decomposition may also form potassium oxide.
Hazardous Polymerization:
Will not occur.
Incompatibilities:
Acids, chlorine trifluoride, magnesium. An explosion occurred after mixing sodium hydrosulfite, aluminum powder, potassium carbonate and benzaldehyde.
Conditions to Avoid:
Moisture, heat, dusting and incompatibles.

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 Post subject: Re: What potash & it's danger
PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:59 am 
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Matt, I am exceptionally stupid.....glad you noted that!

Point, we have no idea what form will be processed, stored in Hammond.

We do know most likely a tif will be established to create 70 ish jobs and a tif does little to increase the tax base of hammond overall.

Not known are if any further refinement, transfer and or processing. Very little has been given to the public with regard exactly what will be developed.

Why not a space on Hammond web page explaining, giving details...

http://arizonageology.blogspot.com/2009/01/environmental-group-raises-concerns.html


On water quality[edit] EutrophicationThe nitrogen-rich compounds found in fertilizer run-off is the primary cause of a serious depletion of oxygen in many parts of the ocean, especially in coastal zones; the resulting lack of dissolved oxygen is greatly reducing the ability of these areas to sustain oceanic fauna.[42] Visually, water may become cloudy and discolored (green, yellow, brown, or red).

About half of all the lakes in the United States are now eutrophic, while the number of oceanic dead zones near inhabited coastlines are increasing.[43] As of 2006, the application of nitrogen fertilizer is being increasingly controlled in Britain and the United States[citation needed]. If eutrophication can be reversed, it may take decades[citation needed] before the accumulated nitrates in groundwater can be broken down by natural processes.

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 Post subject: Re: What potash & it's danger
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POTASH AND NITROGEN FEEDS
When you search for liquid feeds at your local garden centre you will see a bewildering array of different products. The two you are interested in, as far as greenhouse tomato feeding is concerned, are "general purpose" liquid feed (higher in nitrogen) and "tomato plant" feed (higher in potash / potassium).

Nitrogen rich feeds encourage growth of the foliage at the expense of fruit growth. Potash (or potassium) rich feeds encourage the formation and growth of fruits at the expense of foliage growth. For good tomato plant growth you need both types of feed, but they will be applied at different stages of growth. If expense is a problem and you can only buy one type of liquid feed then go for the potash / tomato plant feed. It is high in potash but also contains some nitrogen.

For the inquisitive amongst us, I set out below the typical nitrogen and potash contents of the two types of liquid feed. Note that the analysis below also includes Phosphorus proportions because that is how feeds are normally analysed (N (nitrogen) P (phosphorus) K (potassium)). The figures below show the proportions of each chemical.

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 Post subject: Re: What potash & it's danger
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http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WDM-4J73011-2&_user=10&_coverDate=02%2F28%2F2007&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1703197076&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=22fcbef6426f2dcb5dbb8c75588c60d5&searchtype=a

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 Post subject: Re: What potash & it's danger
PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:15 am 
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When (if) the deal goes through, you will probably get answers to your questions.


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 Post subject: Re: What potash & it's danger
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Never let the truth get in the way of a good lie. Since almost every post you made tends to bend the truth at some point.

The facility in Hammond will be a transfer station and NOTHING will be processed here. It is shipped in solid form and mixed locally depending on the needs of the individual farmer.

We need to definitely find out the details before a TIF is even discussed, let alone issued. I have always felt that Hammond relied too heavily on TIF zones for economic development. It's the development tool du jour and it's been overused and abused nationwide and in Hammond as well. That goes from McDermott Sr right thru to Dedelow and then McDermott Jr.

I have no problem with incentives when they are rightfully deserved, but I need far more information than given to make an informed decision.

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 Post subject: Re: What potash & it's danger
PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:18 am 
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McDermott's done enough to criticise him without having to bend things.

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 Post subject: Re: What potash & it's danger
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They are only talking 10 jobs from this company. Is that really worth a TIF?


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 Post subject: Re: What potash & it's danger
PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:25 am 
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justcallmetommy wrote:


Do you read any of these before you post them? Decis or Deltamethrin is an insecticide and a neurotoxin. The article you link describes (in the abstract) the fact that they did tests combining potash fertilizer with various levels of Deltamethrin.

I would definitely say the combination in certain levels of Deltamethrin and Potassium Carbonate would be dangerous environmentally, just as an extremely high level of Deltamethrin on this own would be.

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 Post subject: Re: What potash & it's danger
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Again, we have absolutely no idea of what is truely proposed.

It has been proven, my bird of feather, McDermott is far from telling the truth on many subjects. Will this be a transfer spot for other chemicals as well? Mixing? distribution?

From what little I have read, there appears to be substantial concerns with this material in large amounts contaminating water and doing damage to fish and other aquatic species.

Hammond has had enough exposure to polution, toxic material and I am not talking about the McDermott's here

That area is adjacent to a creek/river.

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 Post subject: Re: What potash & it's danger
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Forget it Matt he won't do research and he proves how stupid he is on a daily basis. If this facility was going up in Porter County he would be the first to complain that McDermott was incompetent because they didn't locate here. Fortunately everyone already has established this.


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